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I lived for the last 27 years, fair to speak. I come to New York occasionally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1.0,9.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Are you going to other cities to--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No. I'm just here now. Actually, I came in because my mother passed away in April. We put up tombstone this week and so my sister and I went out there and that was the reason for this visit. He said, \"As long as you're going,\" and because he's gotten this grant to interview second generations, \"I have a couple of names.\" I said, \"Fine, wherever you set up is fine.\" That's why we're trying to set two people up today, but the other guy, something came up, we had the transfer and that's why we're talking about the lining up the moon of the stars and he fell out. We're only be doing you today and that's fine.\n\nWhenever I come back to New York, which is once a year, sometimes, twice I'll do now, I'll do whatever he finds. People coming in Israel. The guy said to me, \"We were going to do today the other guy that he'll be in Israel next year so we'll do it there.\" That's fine. Most of the interviews are Hebrew, obviously. I do most of the English interviews. I've been a journalist my whole career. I now work with Jerusalem Post and that's my real job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=11.0,73.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Scott Macklin: Elli, would you mind if I run in the back, we've got the screen saver from the computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=73.0,76.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=76.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: If you don't mind, I'm going to shut off the sleep on that computer so it doesn't happen anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=77.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=81.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It sleeps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=82.0,83.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Right. Good catch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=83.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: You'll know better how to do that, but let me see. I guess I'm an assistant who knows all this stuff better than I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=85.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What time did you guys get here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=90.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: About 9:45.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=92.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=93.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Small stuff was quick and easy. John was a very good host. He's very friendly and there was no problem [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=96.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Put that on there. I put never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=104.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He knows about right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=107.0,109.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: But there must be a sleep--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=109.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, there's this one and there's a screen saver.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=112.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I know. I know. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=116.0,118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: Very talented guy, obviously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=118.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=121.0,123.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Oh, okay. Never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=123.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: Where in Israel do you live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=124.0,127.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Jerusalem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=127.0,128.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: My girlfriend's Israeli.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=128.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh. How's it going? How's it working out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=129.0,131.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: It's good. I mean, we'll be in Israel probably in 19th. But if not for sure, in 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=131.0,141.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: This isn't moving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=141.0,142.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I do not know that they make it.\n\n[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=142.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: She's in theater and she can't--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=144.0,146.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Or Oregon wherever you like. [crosstalk].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=146.0,149.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: Maybe LA, probably not even, maybe London, but you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=149.0,153.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Nice. We do you live at?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=153.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: You want me on an angle?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=154.0,156.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=156.0,156.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: 84th Broadway.\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=156.0,159.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: Not that far. I think you were fine where you were. Although I like a little farther north, but where we are turned out really well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=159.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Here, tell me when.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=173.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: When.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=176.0,177.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: It is October 30th, 2018. We are here in the Bronx on Decatur Avenue interviewing Jonathan Atkins about his father who was a integral part of the entire development of Israel. What I learned, it was interesting to me that I never-- The whole issue of exporting food and specifically meat to Israel during that period of time allowed by the United States, but yet, and your father was sending food among other things, but one of the things he started cause he had worked in the department of agriculture for 10 years. What did you know about that? Tell me about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=177.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: I'm sorry. One second. I just want to make a quick adjustment just so you guys have some-- We're good to go. There we go. Thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=215.0,222.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: That would be Atkin, A-T-K-I-N, no S. If I sounded, like I said Atkins, it would've been the possessive of his apartment. It's what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=222.0,233.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It's Russian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=233.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Russian, where'd he come from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=234.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: South of Kiev, his father, but it could have been, it was a name that was essentially transliterated from, could have been Atkin, I mean, there are Etkins Atkins, the Cyrillic of the sound of A, E, they could have spelled it A-E A-I-T-K. I mean, you see all those kinds of variations that the fine folks at Ellis Island decided to just write what they wanted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=237.0,261.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, but your father was born here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=261.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Oh, yes. He was actually born in Hobart, New York. His mother was born in Rivington Street in New York and she married a Russian national. While we are discussing regularly the issues and the horrific nature of our immigration policies and rules, then my grandmother who was born right on Rivington Street was forced by American law to give up her American citizenship, and she had to become a naturalized American due to the laws of this fine country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=263.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Which she did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=312.0,313.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. We have the papers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=313.0,316.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Your father's involvement as a young man, he must have started around 20 at the department of agriculture. I read in his book, he knew somebody who got him the job and he brought that expertise and knowledge to work for Israel, starting with the embassy in the making in Washington before the state was established, actually. Tell me what you know about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=316.0,341.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Going back a little bit from there, he was very much influenced-- I mean he met Chaim Weizmann. 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I have his autobiography. I have books signed by various-- I mean, I have a Ben-Gurion book, Ben-Gurion signed. Yes, he was caught up with it. Matter of fact, that bust of Chaim Weizmann is on my table. But his expertise in agriculture certainly was significant.\n\nHe worked with the very important Public Law 480, which was the law that was developed to ship American food surpluses. It was a price support system developed for-- We had abundant resources and abundant grain surpluses and farmers were not getting the money they wanted, and so the government developed, and I believe the law was developed by Hubert Humphrey. I haven't substantiated what my father's involvement in that, but I have been told previously by others, he is the father of Public Law 480.\n\nThat said, he certainly knew all the nuances and in his book, he certainly speaks to how he was able to get Hadassah involved unprecedentedly in terms of being the organization to distribute American food stuffs and they had to change some of the protocols of the charter or create a new Hadassah agency that fulfilled in terms of accountability and all kinds of other federal requirements of the law in order to be a recipient of the federal grants of food.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=362.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: This was after World War II. I'm wondering why there was such a surplus because returning servicemen, and then the economy itself, in general, was growing and booming at that point right after the war. Therefore there was so much extra food and the farmers weren't getting the right price.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=498.0,514.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I'm not erudite enough to know about what the economics of the American food system was, but there were surpluses and it was a way to support the prices for the farmers. I mean, that's essentially what PL480 did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=514.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Then ship it overseas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=531.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Right. Israel was not, obviously, the only recipient. There are volumes of data and treatises of all the different countries from Jamaica to Bulgaria of who received American food surplus. 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I had not heard that directly from him until I was in Chicago with my brother and at a break the fast dinner with friends of his and the agricultural attaché of the Israeli consulate in Chicago said, \"I'm fulfilling your father's role,\" [chuckles] in certain aspects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=563.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Would he talk about this? Do you remember him saying, \"You won't believe this. 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Should we turn off, should we answer? You're plugged in. Oh, no, you wireless. You can't get up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=689.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: He can get up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=700.0,701.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Say again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=701.0,701.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: You can get up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=701.0,702.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=702.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: He's not moving much so it's not like--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=708.0,710.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I'm going to shut this off,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=710.0,713.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Putting this on him will help fill those spots in case it does get bad when you need to play it. We're kind of--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=713.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I am unplugging the phone so we won't hear it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=720.0,725.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I'm not hearing anything, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=725.0,728.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Oh, no, I do because the mic's on.\n\n[Background conversation]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=728.0,734.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: By the way, I have my father's book here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=734.0,738.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You know what? You can hold it up and they could-- Let's take a look at it. Let me just adjust your lav quickly. Just hold it up one second. Just hold it up to the camera. We can do this later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=738.0,752.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Okay. I need to modulate my voice so I can bring it deeper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=752.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Hold on. But I'm going to like put it here so it's not up against the jacket. It's a little bit, I can't really put it on his shirt or else we'll see the entire wire. Unless I can go on the other side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=759.0,773.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What we do is we run it up the shirt. All you see at the top is the clip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=773.0,777.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: I could do that too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=777.0,779.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: We're okay with 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fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=801.0,807.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: [laughs] I answer that question similarly when people ask me. The older we get, it's amazing, we thought we'd be immune. It's the other guy whose going to get [crosstalk] sucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=807.0,817.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I continually think that I'm 24 years old and I'm not. I have injured myself because-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=817.0,825.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Thinking that. Same. It's incredible to understand how much getting old sucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=825.0,831.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I mean, I had been a licensed captain in the port for 15 years. I did not renew the license this year because I broke this arm two years ago and the rotator cuff is spinning at me. I just can't be on a deck or pulling a-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=831.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You had to be right. Just straight beyond, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=851.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, I just said all screw it.I got my publicity out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=852.0,859.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: How old are you by the way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=859.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: 69. 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Testing one, two. You hear me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=865.0,867.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: I hear you loud and clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=867.0,869.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I had my bar mitzvah in Passover, which I've never had anything but a piece of Pesachdiker cake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=869.0,877.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Wait, what was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=877.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: My bar mitzvah was in Passover so I've never had anything but a Pesachdiker cake for my--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=878.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: I'm going to tell you something when I move the car, I'll text H when I'm coming back up, just so I don't interrupt anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=884.0,889.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=889.0,889.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: You can leave the door unlocked. It's locked. One of those latches is locked. They go opposite directions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=889.0,902.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You only get three choices with the lock. [chuckles]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=902.0,907.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: There you go. Oh, we're going to have to let him in though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=907.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No, he didn't get what you're saying. He meant to lock it before you close it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=915.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No, I was saying he to get back in, but we still have to let him in anyway so it doesn't matter. Nobody's going to--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=919.0,926.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: All right. I forgot where we were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=926.0,929.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Oh, in his book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=929.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, yes. You can hold up the book. You want to shoot that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=930.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Oh yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=932.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Just hold it like this in front of your chest. Straight up. No straight like the back, right. Hold on, your fingers. Right, right. Straight up. That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=932.0,943.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Could you go a little higher with it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=943.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Tattered copy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=947.0,952.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I mean, it's really astounding in the little I've read to see how much there is. We're just going to touch on whatever--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=952.0,961.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I've read it two times and I keep finding nuggets that I didn't know and there's stuff that I've heard about for years and there's some stuff that's probably not accurate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=961.0,972.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Right. I saw that in your email.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=972.0,974.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It's hyperbole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=974.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. You write that in the email.\n\nAtkin: Right. All my siblings, we all have discussed some of that.\n\nMacklin: Give me one of these right next to your face and you're looking at it. Camera. Okay, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=975.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=996.0,999.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: One second. We on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=999.0,1000.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, we're going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1000.0,1002.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Navigating the federal regulations of getting food overseas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1002.0,1006.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He had early experience, as you had said, as a agriculture economist with the United States Department of Agriculture, and he was involved directly with the food surplus program within the USDA. It's my assumption or my knowledge that he worked with Senator Hubert Humphrey to develop that program because I have heard that he was referred to him by some circles as the father of Public Law 480. That he may have advised Senator Humphrey, makes sense, given Minnesota and being a wheat state, et cetera.\n\nEven in his book, he speaks adamantly or massively about the terrific needs that Israel had for food during thetsénaperiod. He did not meet-- I don't believe, I think there was a very special meeting in 1950 for him to develop how Hadassah and other organizations could create a coalition to qualify for the federal surplus program which he eventually engineered. It was a major coup to pull it off because the regulations of Public Law 480 already were very strict and specific as is most federal regulations are, but they were able to do it and they were able to change certain agency profiles, and Hadassah, and otherwise to be a recipient.\n\nThat later, according to-- This is not anymore than what you can see here, created some problems of accountability. At one point, there was a huge almost scandal that certain foodstuffs were being sold off privately in Israel, which unfortunately happens in a lot of food aid programs. But Israel being a test case, in a sense, and it just set up all kinds of alarm bells, but that was another problem.\n\nFast forward, just for a second because the PL 480 program was something close to me, is at age 19, I sailed as an ordinary seaman on a ZIM ship reflagged as an American bottom, as they called it, to fulfill the PL 480 requirements that a certain percentage of ships bringing foodstuffs to a recipient country had to be American ships. In other words, the Public Law 480, also not only supported farmers, it supported the American maritime industry.\n\nWhether or not there were many American ships available but ships were reflagged. This particular ZIM ship was reflagged under a separate corporation called Transport Commercial. Very difficult to find references of that but it was a one-ship company [chuckles] and the ship was Tamara Guilden. She was originally built as the Ein Gedi and she represented-- she was one of the many programs or recipient of the war reparations from Germany, which created infrastructure in railroads and ports.\n\nFrom what I understand, not from my father, but my own research that the war reparations act in Germany essentially was critical to Israel's building up in the early '50s. The ship that I sailed on was built in Germany and represented, according to the captain who told me, 20,000 lives by the formula of which reparations were created. There was a sister ship as well. We carried about 15,000 or 20,000 tons of grade number two wheat, where we would pick it up from Galveston, Texas and take it across the Atlantic. Evidently, it was profitable enough where the ship came back empty, and then refilled its cargo holds for more wheat.\n\nFrom what I understand, the ship also went to other ports that were recipients, but I only sailed to Haifa. The most interesting thing part of it is that this ship and the captain were very good friends of my father. He was on the board of transport commercial. Even though on the ship, my story to the crew was that my father owned a drug store because I had to work with 30 some members of a crew that was primarily from Louisiana and Texas, American seamen sea who were not necessarily open to a college student who had connections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1006.0,1352.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: All right. It was just that little bit right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1352.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, okay. Let me do the sound. Okay, back up--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1356.0,1360.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The only point here was that my brother sailed the ship four years ahead of me so it was a tradition for my brother and me to sail on the ship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1360.0,1370.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: But it must have been nachas for your father, his kids are going on the same. I mean-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1370.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: And hair pulling for my mother because she was worried. I mean, in those days, not as much today, but shipping and the possibility of injury and being hurt on a ship was second to mining. Not because the injuries would be great, but because you did not have access to any medical treatment and it would be weeks before you could perhaps get to shore. My mother allowed it only because this particular captain's wife was a registered nurse and she was on the ship.\n\nThe captain was Captain Myers, not a Jew, but had devoted his expertise to helping Palestine and the immigration shipping of running the blockade from the British blockade of getting refugees to Israel. He felt that was a cause that he wanted to support as a maritime captain, which he did. He was a very good friend of my father, but he also was awarded this brand new state-of-the-art ship as a prize and as a thank you to--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1374.0,1453.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: By the Israeli Navy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1453.0,1454.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No, by ZIM. It had nothing to do with the military. He was given that master's position on a brand new ship that unlike a lot of cargo ships, every crew member had their own air-conditioned cabin. Who knew. The cabin--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1454.0,1477.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Your father was involved in arranging, facilitating, helping bring the refugees through the British blockade?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1477.0,1488.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't believe so. I don't have that knowledge. He may have been an advisor or-- I have photographs of him, which are totally unexplained in his book or otherwise, on the bridge and the decks of ships and this was, I think before this was way after the blockade, but he was involved in procuring ships for Israel to serve in one way or another. I'm not sure. He denied to me that he was involved in the president Madison, which became the Exodus.\n\nI don't know, but I have pictures of him in a full suit and tie, which is-- We grew up in the Chesapeake Bay and he's a boater and a sailor. Unless it was really business, he would not be in a suit and tie in a fedora and his pipe on the bridge of a ship.\n\nIt's my fairly substantiated thought that he was checking out different ships that were for sale and helping procure them for needs of this fledgling country. One ship was a ferry boat from Eastern shore to Annapolis that existed before the Chesapeake Bay bridge was built. Then once the bridge was built, those boats were up for sale and he was on the bridge in one of those boats, presumably that he was checking it out to see whether it was a appropriate vessel for Israel's needs.\n\nI have researched that, that particular vessel that he was on never did get bought by any Israeli agency because there are records of then who did buy it after the bay bridge was built. But there were other ships as well that he was involved with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1488.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Back up a little. Did he tell you stories of November 29th, 1947, the UN vote, the partition vote?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1619.0,1629.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Not that I recall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1629.0,1630.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: And May 14th, 1948?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1630.0,1632.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: There is a story that he sort of proudly discusses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1632.0,1637.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You can put that down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1637.0,1642.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Prior to May 14th, there were a number of people who were recipients of money that were funneled in cash to a number of individuals who stored that money in their personal bank accounts that would be accessible.\n\nAlso, he talks about the story and any-- We know this is true that the IRS came to our home and this was before I was born, before I was conscious, and said, \"This doesn't look like a multimillionaire's home,\" which at that point, I think he was still on a low agricultural economist salary level at the United States Department of Agriculture. Which was not a millionaire capability.\n\nIn those days, this was before the internet, it was when gentleman's agreements worked. My father simply said, \"No, I'm not a millionaire. You can put me in jail if any of that money is still in my account after May 14th, 1948.\" He was one of many people who were receiving funds that were then distributed for the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1642.0,1747.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: The state, in his capacity. These funds were coming from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1747.0,1749.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Individuals all around the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1749.0,1752.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Why was he being siphoned into your father's account?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1752.0,1754.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He was one of many that received. I mean, he was not the only one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1754.0,1760.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: That's how it was working in the embassy to be, we're getting money, it's coming in, we got to put it somewhere. We're going to start putting in all of your accounts until we need it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1760.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know that it was specifically earmarked for either the embassy or for the Jewish Agency, lovingly referred to as the joint, and to where it was actually eventually distributed. It was my impression that it was Haganah related, but I don't have any paperwork that suggests that, but from just listening and that would've been the agency, at least that could pull underground operations together. My--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1771.0,1812.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Your guesstimate on how much was in his account?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1812.0,1815.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: At least he talked about the IRS saying this doesn't look like the home of a millionaire. I'm assuming a certainly at least $1 million, but I have no clue. I don't have bank records. It may have been fluid, I don't know, but it was enough for the IRS to flag [chuckles]. He made a gentleman's agreement and May 14th, obviously, the independence day was already set at that point, the IRS did not visit again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1815.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He told you the celebration that went on that day? Where was he that day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1860.0,1865.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know. I would assume he would be at the now embassy. My birth certificate says I was born in '49 so he was working in the real live embassy. In most birth certificates in those days, it said father's occupation. My birth certificate does not say his occupation. It just says Embassy of Israel, which isn't very telling because he was wearing lots of hats, both official and covert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1865.0,1912.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Both American hats and Israeli hats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1912.0,1914.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. I mean, he was a registered foreign agent and has been for decades, but his involvement with the embassy was extensive. His involvement with other Jewish agencies common discussion at the dinner table included the Hadassah and pioneer women and histadrut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1914.0,1941.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1941.0,1941.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The Joint and all of the organizations that were American funneling services, people, food material--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1941.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: And transportation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1954.0,1956.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He was very much skilled at surveying surplus and much of it for medical purposes. There was a great deal while we've concentrated sometimes on his role in foodstuffs, he made trips to different federal depositories or repositories or storage banks of thousands of dental equipment chairs and radiology and stuff that, evidently, certain parts of the government had deemed surplus because they've either upgraded the dental equipment either on ships or government VA hospitals or wherever that kind of stuff would come from. But he went to examine this stuff and presumably, evidently shipped that type of stuff. He would look at trailers, containers because refugees needed places to live.\n\nThere was a lot of government surplus that he was able to discover or find or get into the pipeline. One of his colleagues, who I knew, who was involved directly as my father was because I had talked with him and I knew him when I was in graduate school in Rochester, was Irving Norry. Irving Norry owned a company called Ajax Electric. He was shipping electric motors for whatever needs-- I mean, Israel had nothing so he was shipping electric motors, but evidently, they were illegal to ship to Israel at that point.\n\nHe was jailed for shipping electric motors. How long? I don't know or whether it was just sort of-- His son and daughter-in-law passed so I can't substantiate any of that anymore, but I knew him and I knew that was certainly part of that. I had a long discussion with my father and there were bits and pieces, and because I was a graduate student in Rochester, and he said, \"If you ever need anything, go to Irv Norry.\" He made it clear that Irv Norry was in some way directly related with the American efforts through the Haganah. There was this network of activist, Zionist, young Americans with the idealism of a new Jewish state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1956.0,2132.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Many of them who served in the army, the American, the foreign contingent that served in the Israeli army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2132.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, I mean one story, I don't know if it's in his book that my father is proud of, is that way past all that period, I think more in the '70s, Ben-Gurion asked him, \"Why don't make aliyah to Israel. My father said, \"Mr. Prime Minister, I'm much more effective for you in Washington,\" and he was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2139.0,2179.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: When you said before, the many hats he wore and his actions and his duties, and some of them being clandestined, can we say for a fact that your father was in some of the hats that he was wearing, some of his capacities, was in fact, working against the law? Undercover working--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2179.0,2199.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know that he was working against the law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2199.0,2210.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Meaning he was shipping something illegal. He was moving something illegal. He was facilitating something illegal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2210.0,2215.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know that. I know that like Irv Norry definitely was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2215.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: But your father knew. Your father knew what Irv was doing, at least, we can say he certainly had knowledge of what was going on-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2220.0,2225.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He may even helped Irv do the shipping. I don't know. Because he was the material distribution guru. I mean, that's what he did. That's what he knew how to, as an economist and as someone who understood ships and shipping","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2225.0,2243.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: And American law on shipping, then he knew what he could do get away with clean and what he would need to finagle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2243.0,2249.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Again, I don't know how much was finagled. I think he generally tried to even later years, he worked with regularly the AID and Department of State and the Department of Commerce. He was always sending his assistant to the Department of Commerce and because he expedited things. He helped reflag vessels.\n\nI have a hand-type letter from Isbranson. I'm forgetting his first name, but it's in my papers about him, where Isbranson who ran a shipping line, thanking my father for helping, A, introducing the port of Haifa to his ship line and reflagging a vessel, but the letter doesn't say how that his vessels were reflagged or what vessel, but my assumption was it was reflagged in order to take advantage of Public Law 480. Here's a hand-type letter from old man Isbranson, who's like a well-known name in early American shipping.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2249.0,2324.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: How long was your father at the embassy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2324.0,2332.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He was there as the administrative director of the pre-embassy or what they called the mission, up and through '48. I have to look at the exact date, but our family became stricken with polio in '49. At that time, because polio was completely not understood as a communicable virus, possibly, he was fired from the Israeli embassy or dismissed or let go but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2332.0,2379.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: They were fearful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2379.0,2380.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. I don't know how damaging that was to his psyche, but it was a significant event in his life he maintained, but then post that, and he then had met Bob Nathan, Robert R. Nathan, who was at that time the kitchen cabinet in the kitchen cabinet of Roosevelt and also a Zionist and introduced my father to a number of, and this is prior to his firing. He'd gotten to know Nathan and others and had been introduced to different Zionist leaders through Robert Nathan. It was just a perfectly good fit for him to then be asked by Bob Nathan to become the second officer of Robert Nathan Associates Consulting Economists which--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2380.0,2447.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: One quick note, please. You're slowly turning more left. Is that chair okay for you still?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2447.0,2453.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2453.0,2454.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Do you want to flip the chair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2454.0,2455.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes. If we could do that and also--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2455.0,2458.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Should I move it this way or this way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2458.0,2459.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, we'll turn it-- Sorry, the other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2459.0,2461.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No, the other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2461.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2463.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2463.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Okay. I could just-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2463.0,2465.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes. When you go and lean left and you put more weight on that one side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2465.0,2469.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2469.0,2469.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: You're hearing it squick a little 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Those are the words they use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2501.0,2504.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Noted and well received.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2504.0,2505.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Noted and well received.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2505.0,2507.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I'm learning a hell of a lot today. The answer to your question of whether the being let go because of the polio issue. Whether it was damaging to his psyche, the answer is no because he continued his devotion to the state of Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2507.0,2525.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I think there was damage. He soldiered through the damage, but I can't imagine that being let go from an employer that he devoted his entire being and personal passion. I can't imagine that wasn't-- and I have to refer to the book to see if there's a chapter there that speaks to that and maybe I can do that a little later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2525.0,2556.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Did he meet other leaders at the time, Abba Hillel Silver and Steven Wise and the Zionist leaders? 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Gershon became a family friend and his wife, Yael visited us in our home in suburban D.C.\n\nHis son, Giora, was the general that during the Six-Day War broke through Nablus and the West Bank because he had been stationed there and knew it and it's a labyrinthian town and he understood it and knew where the weak points were or how to negotiate that casbah, essentially, and was instrumental in taking that town during the Six-Day War. Giora met me on my first trip to Israel on ZIM ship and we traveled all over Israel.\n\nOne of the issues again coming to Israel as a disguised seaman whose father had a drugstore was that on arrival, information was sent out to various Israeli authorities that Maury Atkin's son was arriving in Haifa. 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Though I was able to do things that-- The crew mostly had to stay on the ship and because of my father's contacts, I was able to hire an Israeli seaman to take my place for four days while the ship was unloading so I could tour around Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2730.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: [chuckles].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2750.0,2751.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I paid him my American wage, which is more than he would have gotten. I understand he was really a sluggard and lazy. At that point, the jig was up. Few American sailors could have the wherewithal or the resources to hire an Israeli seaman to take your place serving chicken soup in the officer's mess.\n\n[chuckling]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2751.0,2777.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: But on the trip over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2777.0,2779.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2779.0,2780.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The first mate of the ship had gotten wind or figured out that somehow I was connected to what a lot of the crew members call, this funny contract or funny ship because we would find in the storage department, and occasionally, all your crew members are given towels. 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We also carried on that ship when my brother took the ship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2894.0,2901.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. Your brother, Joe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2901.0,2904.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Brother Joe. They carried on the deck, I believe, F-4 phantoms destined for Israel. On our ship, we carried in nice plastic, anti-salt protection missiles. I think they were. I don't know what kind they were because I was 19, I wasn't-- They were long things with fins. [chuckles] The ship, obviously, was used for other goods beyond just wheat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2904.0,2944.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What do you know of your father's direct involvement after he left the embassy and joined this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2944.0,2950.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Once he was hired by Robert Nathan Associates and became a partner with Robert Nathan, he remained involved thoroughly with multiple Israeli agencies and organizations. Probably more so than what he could do at the embassy because now he was a consultant to two Israeli agencies, multiple agencies on multiple programs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2950.0,2986.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Including the military?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2986.0,2991.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The answer is yes. I have log books, if I may.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2991.0,2996.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2996.0,2998.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: My father was an avid recreational boatman, yachtsman and these are logbooks that he kept from two of his favorite vessels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2998.0,3010.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Could you bring them up again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3010.0,3015.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Separate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3015.0,3024.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, that's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3024.0,3025.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Does that work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3025.0,3025.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes. Could you look at them? Yes, back at camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3025.0,3032.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: In which he writes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3032.0,3036.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: These were logs that guests on his boat would sign in, and there is a number of entries by Israeli military officers signed in Hebrew. I've had some of them translated, and one of them it was the head of Israeli Navy Forces in the IDF.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3036.0,3065.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: This would be 19?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3065.0,3067.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I could look at the books or we can look later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3067.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No, just the date.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3069.0,3073.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: If I could find the actual-- This may take a moment, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3073.0,3079.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: I'm going to stop for a second, if it's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3079.0,3083.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: This was in the '70s. Throughout the books there are people signing in Hebrew.\n\n[phone rings]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3083.0,3097.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Okay, we're going to-- Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3097.0,3098.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That's engage. He certainly entertained lots and lots of Israelis on the boat. Does a name Moshe Meirav mean anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3098.0,3121.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: How do you spell it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3121.0,3123.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: M-E-I-R-A-V.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3123.0,3126.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Moshe Meirav? No, vaguely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3126.0,3131.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: With a daughter, Tamar Meirav. Ehud Meirav, and Amos, Eizan, E-I-Z-A-N.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3131.0,3144.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: There are some Meiravs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3144.0,3144.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In 1971. [silence] They were definitely\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3144.0,3158.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3158.0,3170.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I have substantiated one of the-- Several of the signatures are definitely Israeli military officers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3170.0,3186.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: It's really amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3186.0,3187.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Reuven Avital, Eli Geva, Oudi Enon It's a continual drumbeat of people. Here's one totally in Hebrew, I have no idea what it says, on the right page.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3187.0,3226.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: So great to be here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3226.0,3232.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Oh, okay. Generic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3232.0,3234.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Then, I can't really read his name. Really, it's Tolbar? Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3234.0,3254.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I know that certainly several of them were navy-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3254.0,3259.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Navy people. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3259.0,3260.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No question. That translated into-- Are we rolling?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3260.0,3269.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: We are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3269.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Okay. That translated into on my last trip to Israel with my father, where he was able to get access, and we would travel to see a clandestine IDF Air Force-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3270.0,3290.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Operation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3290.0,3291.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -operation, where I wasn't allowed to photograph anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3291.0,3294.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: [laughs] I would think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3294.0,3295.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The aircraft were all in berms and huts protected for the visibility otherwise. I asked one of the pilots, and I think they were our-- I don't remember which aircraft, but in the '80s, could they have been Phantoms or something else? I don't remember. Certainly, wasn't the newer stuff today. Maybe it could have been F-16s by then, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3295.0,3320.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: '80s, I don't think so. Phantom, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3320.0,3322.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Right. I asked one of the pilots, I said, \"How do you like the aircraft?\" He said, \"The aircraft are great.\" I said, \"Well, how about the navigation systems?\" He said, \"Oh, we rip all that out and we use our own.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3322.0,3332.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Correct. Good to know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3332.0,3335.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: To hear it said by a pilot saying, \"We answer to a higher authority.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3335.0,3343.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: [laughs] It is a fact, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3343.0,3346.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3346.0,3348.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What this indicates to me is your father was under the radar, he wasn't \"famous,\" but he, obviously, was doing [crosstalk] a damn good enough job that Israeli naval commanders would feel comfortable and familiar with him and his operations to be on his boat, to hang with him, to correspond with him. He was a player that no one knows about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3348.0,3380.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He would say to me, \"Those that know, know, and those that don't, don't need to.\" He was old school. Even though we know that he spent quite a bit of time inflating some of his importance, after all-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3380.0,3397.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Justified.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3397.0,3399.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, if you're working and engineering and choreographing those who are getting the credit, I guess you want to at least say, \"Hey, I'm--.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3399.0,3411.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: A little bit of your own. Correct, my bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3411.0,3413.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Again, those that knew and trusted him, and knew that he actually wouldn't try to brandish or self-aggrandize himself, and those that knew, knew, but in a limited way. Like I said, some of what he said to me, or to our family, it's hard to know. There are certain things that I have continually have gaps about, that I cannot get substantiation.\n\nI have a picture of him on the SS America, which is, I don't know whether he was in the cocktail lounge or whatever, in the port of New York or whether, because that ship did sail to Israel, and where he joined it, if he did, but he was definitely not looking vacation. He was in a suit and tie and the pictures were some other men. I've only traced some of the information.\n\nI know that ship went to Rome first. My uncle, who was in the US Army, came to see my father when he went to Rome, which was a trip that my mother was not on, because, generally, if my father was on a vacation, my mother would certainly be, and she made many trips to Israel with him. I may be making this up out of broadcloth, but I can't find any records of that trip, or how he was, but my uncle told me that he was on a buying trip in Italy.\n\nMy uncle came down from his base in Germany to see my father, and said that doors were opening to him wherever he went, but he didn't know why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3413.0,3552.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: My feeling is, the question I asked before about his clandestine activities, your father lived by the same model, \"Loose lips sink ships,\" and he would not be a man to speak, just reveal any kind of detail. It seems to me, if I can't prove it, I don't think you can't either, but it seems to me, in fact, that your father was a major underground player, getting all kinds of things done because you can't have entrée into all those things the rest of your life, unless you put in the time and the goods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3552.0,3584.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: And are trusted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3584.0,3585.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: And are trusted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3585.0,3585.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. If I may fast forward because this is-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3585.0,3589.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Please. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3589.0,3590.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -it is really just snippets. When I was, I think in high school or the Six-Day War was what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3590.0,3604.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: June 5th, '67.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3604.0,3605.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: '67. That makes sense because I graduated from high school in '67, and he asked me to come on his boat, and it has to be prior to that, because after '67, I went to college, and unless it was the summer, which it could have been, I'm not sure that I would've been home. My recollection, and only, again, through cross-referencing time and date, and with other friends who were journalists in Washington, he asked me to come and be the helmsman on his boat.\n\nHe said, very clearly, \"There'll be one person on board you know,\" who happened to be Avraham Harman, the Israeli ambassador to Washington, who I knew well, and I taught his daughter how to sail. He was comfortable with me being my father's son, but also knew me ahead of time. There was one other gentleman, who, to this day, I do not know who he was, but he spoke Arabic, and we went, and my father said, \"Just drive the boat, we're going blues fishing. You're not to be part of the conversation, just drive the boat.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3605.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You've proven my point I just said, you've just proven the point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3690.0,3693.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The only thing I can consider was that this was geopolitics at its best, that a deal was made between, perhaps, the Jordanian ambassador and Avraham Harman to protect the pipeline from Oman to, I guess, it went to Ashdod to ensure that under whatever circumstances, it would not be attacked or severed or turned off by Israel, if, presumably, Jordan remained, they weren't neutral in the Six-Day War.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3693.0,3734.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3734.0,3735.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know the agreement or the specifics, but the pipeline was not bombed or shut off far, as I know, but I don't know the specifics of it. I have asked for decades after that. The specific question, I said, \"Dad, what went on this fishing trip?\" He said, \"There were no cameras. There was nothing, there's no record of it, but I was there and these were your instructions.\" His comment has always been even up to his death bed was, \"There were no Uzis,\" and that's how he explained it. That it wasn't a big deal. There were no Uzis on the boat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3735.0,3786.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Where was the waters you were fishing in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3786.0,3788.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The Chesapeake Bay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3788.0,3791.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: How long were you out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3791.0,3795.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: We went over towards the Choptank River to the Eastern Shore, so it had to be at least four hours to get out there back, do some real fishing. Somewhere between three and four hours, or a whole afternoon. I don't recall, but just in terms of the speed of the boat, and the distance and where we were, yes, I would say certainly a full afternoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3795.0,3822.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I'm sure of what I'm saying, and we'll never know the whole story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3822.0,3826.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No, because I even asked him repeatedly over decades, because I wanted to know, and he would never- [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3826.0,3832.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He's the kind of man who would not even tell his son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3832.0,3838.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He often elaborated about other things that were minimal, or certainly-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3838.0,3845.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Because those he could talk about, and he could talk about freely, even if they were less important, because the important things, he was not going to say a damn word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3845.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I did my junior semester in Italy, in Florence, and for some reason or another, I ended up at the, either the Israel Embassy or the Council, while I was, it may have been a Hanukkah party, because I was there in the winter, and whatever there was that period, that incident, where Israel \"stole\" the patrol boats from France, from Marseille, and there was issues of who had-- Whether they were paid for or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3853.0,3887.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: The Boats of Cherbourg. Yes, a book was written about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3887.0,3890.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. I've never seen the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3890.0,3893.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Abraham, I know the author. He was a journalist in Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3893.0,3899.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I'm assuming that was in 1970.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3899.0,3905.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Sounds about right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3905.0,3908.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Because that's when I was in Italy, '69, '70.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3908.0,3911.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: '69, '70, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3911.0,3913.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: My junior year. '70, '71 was my senior year. At the Israel Embassy, I'm assuming, because my Italian teacher that went with us from college was the daughter of the most respected Jewish rabbi, or of the Jewish community. I don't know if he was a rabbi, but he was a macher in the small Rome Jewish community.\n\nIt was small indeed, but she introduced me to some people, and somehow or another, I ended up at Israel Embassy, and there was a TV screen showing the Cherbourg boats, and there were media planes and everything following this wink, wink \"theft\". It was clearly-- I don't know all the details, but it was a face-saving event, evidently, for the French or whatever.\n\nThe ambassador looked at me, and says, \"That's your father's work.\" He has always denied that. He said, \"No, I had nothing to do with it.\" He may be right. Maybe the ambassador was wrong, but if he wasn't, what he was saying, which was more telling was, it has the earmarks of what your father can do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3913.0,4004.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4004.0,4005.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It doesn't matter whether he was involved in Cherbourg or not, it suggests, here's the ambassador from Israel to Rome, saying, \"That has the earmarks of your father.\" That underscores his fact that he did do clandestine work, whether the Cherbourg thing was or wasn't, in the scheme of things, it's not important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4005.0,4039.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Correct. Either it was his kind of work, or was his direct work, in either case, that was-- He lived in that world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4039.0,4046.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It put the imprimatur in my mind that he was involved in stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4046.0,4056.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: 100%","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4056.0,4057.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Now, again, fast forward or not fast forward, during the first Operation Moses in '84, which I was completely unaware of as a child, though, given what transpired, and I wasn't working for the journalist at that time, I was really hurt. He didn't invite me to photograph this amazing operation of Ethiopian Jews being herded onto C-130 planes, and building fires on the inside of the C-130s.\n\nI only knew about it when I read a front-page article in The New York Times by A. M. Rosenthal. There were names throughout this news article on the very front page, the bottom page, but it was still on the front page. All these names from United Israel Appeal, from Hadassah.\n\nAll these titular name, I knew every one of them. They'd all been at our dinner table from time-to-time. I said, \"None of these people have the capability of pulling this off.\" They had to have-- The center core of those names was, clearly, in my mind, all roads lead to my father. I called my mother, and only the first time I've ever heard her use language that would embarrass a seafarer, said, \"That God damn Rosenthal is killing Jews with his article,\" because it pulled the curtains back on this-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4057.0,4180.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Operation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4180.0,4180.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -operation, and she was livid. I don't know where my father was, but as I recall and my memory serves, he was running the puppet strings on the operation from Zurich, and what he has told me later was the whole operation was a need-to-know, obviously, that he had cooperation from Henry Kissinger, who, they were friends. They were often actually were confused by people who didn't know either one.\n\nHe would be asked, because my father had wiry hair just like Kissinger, didn't speak like him, but until he opened his mouth. He would be mistaken for Henry Kissinger and Henry Kissinger, occasionally, people who didn't quite know who he was, would ask whether he was Maury Atkin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4180.0,4236.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4236.0,4237.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: They got to know each other, and Kissinger, evidently, gave the approval for what the operation was, but if it went south, you're on your own. At the same time, the Soviet Union that time, Sudan was a client state. My father's office at Robert Nathan Associates was literally caddy-corner from the Russian Embassy and on 16th Street in Washington D.C.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4237.0,4274.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: One second, we have a problem with the airplane.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4274.0,4277.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: We should take this time to change the battery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4277.0,4280.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: We could do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4280.0,4281.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: We only have five, seven minutes left in the battery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4281.0,4283.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: We are in Bravo Airspace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4283.0,4287.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. Do you want to change batteries? That's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4287.0,4289.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes. It will only take one second.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4289.0,4293.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: Will just be one second.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4293.0,4296.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: We're back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4296.0,4298.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: We're back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4298.0,4298.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The rescue or Exodus of Black Jews from Ethiopia was, to the best of my knowledge, part-- One of his last capers, and it was a need-to-know. Given my father, unlike current politicians, and for those who may be seeing this decades from now, there was no collusion. [chuckles] There was basic Washington diplomacy, where ambassadors and ministers and attachés knew each other, because that's what Washington does, but it wasn't for self-aggrandizement.\n\nIt was the needs of the various countries and what their needs were. Given, that Sudan was a client state of Soviet Union, and my father had a relationship with, I'm assuming, the ambassador at that time, or the-- I don't know whether it was Kosygin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4298.0,4377.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Sorry, I [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4377.0,4377.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] we've had a few, at least, two were actually showing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4377.0,4389.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: It's funny. I totally forget that in New York it happens all the time, where a plane over Jerusalem is pretty rare. It's restricted airspace, when you see, so, \"Oh, wow, planes overhead,\" which happens once every two months, but here it's New York City, you got three airports, you're landing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4389.0,4403.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Do not go to Norfolk and do a taping, because the big naval airbases there, as well as there are three different airbases and they are flying F-35s at screamingly low levels every 10 minutes, right down through downtown Norfolk, and in formation, so you would never tape anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4403.0,4430.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Sudan client state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4430.0,4431.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Sudan was the client state of Soviet Union. Therefore, the Black Jews were-- March of the Ethiopian Jews, were marched out of Ethiopia through the desert, and white unmarked Israeli C-130s were waiting for them in the desert, where they were loaded on and flew to Israel. This went on, and I don't know how long the operation was, but obviously, it was many days.\n\nIt was, obviously, the Mossad that brought the folks out of Ethiopia, and marched them into the Sudan. In terms of the clandestine work that my father did, and from what I understand, he was a key player in that whole operation. Certainly, because all the people in the A. M. Rosenthal article were all people who he dealt with on a daily basis. I couldn't think of anyone, and with my mother's comment or expletive, clearly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4431.0,4508.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: She knew what was going on, and she was--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4508.0,4510.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: She knew what was going on, and that the article had disastrous consequences, and it was personal because she knew what my father was doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4510.0,4527.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Can you hear this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4527.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I'm attuning myself to get ahead of time before you start the sentence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4530.0,4534.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Sorry, I don't have double-paned windows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4534.0,4537.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: That's okay. [laughs] That's all right. It's really okay. Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4537.0,4542.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Clearly, he was involved in it and, and the Soviet Union whoever the foreign minister was that my father dealt with, or who was the ambassador at that time. Again, from what he said to me, if the thing went south, it would be total denial. Fortunately, it didn't, and I didn't get invited to photograph it either, but that's it. Later years, we would be at dinners for various celebrations or events or whatever in various hotels in Washington D.C.\n\nHe would point out, \"See, he was on Operation Moses.\" He would point out waiters in the hotel-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4542.0,4588.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4588.0,4589.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -that he knew or knew that they had been, or just simply guess because he knew what they should look like being Ethiopian. This was a new population of people in Washington, and many, obviously, went to Israel, and then somehow made their way to the US. Many were in Israel, and to this day, on my last trip to Israel with my father, he took me, and my mother and my father, we went to a resettlement village, which had been brand new built in Israel. I have a photograph of my father. He was incredibly proud of what he had done for these families.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4589.0,4639.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Facilitating with--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4639.0,4640.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Right. There were tears in his eyes because, clearly, this was very special to him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4640.0,4653.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What year was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4653.0,4656.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: '80s, I'd have to check.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4656.0,4658.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Late '80s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4658.0,4659.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. That was, I had a number of conversations with some of the Ethiopian Jews, who were in this, and these camps are great, but their issue was that, and this had nothing to do with my father, but such a multi-leveled set of issues, where, how do you assimilate a new group of people into a country?\n\nThey were certainly encouraged, or they were language classes and everything to learn Hebrew, but evident the complaint I heard from some of the elders was that Israel was not encouraging the teaching in the classrooms of their native languages, which I don't know whether it's from Eritrea or whatever, but there was a great deal of tension where, yes, they'd escaped, but they didn't feel as if-- There were a lot of issues, as there is in Israel with where the Ashkenazi population is changing, or has changed. Where it's no longer a European nation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4659.0,4756.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: 100%, constant changes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4756.0,4759.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That's happening in the United States as well, and all over the world, but those were issues, which I found fascinating, though it had nothing to do with my father's subsequent activities per se. Again, to reiterate or to emphasize the clarity that I received about my father's clandestine work was on one of my trips. I was in Jerusalem the second to last trip. I was hanging out with the UNIFIL soldiers, and we were driving. They were from Fiji, and we were driving around Jerusalem in their beautiful white Jeep with the UN on the hood. They had taught me some Fiji Islander songs, and we were singing them. It was Friday night, the Sabbath carrying on, we were not drunk. We weren't drinking anything, they couldn't do that, but they were venting, and I was having a good time.\n\nWe were stopped by the authorities. I'm assuming they were the Jerusalem police, but they may have been a military arm. I don't know, but all I know is that their Jeep had lots of antennas coming out of it. They collected the Fiji island, the UNIFIL guys' credentials, and my passport. After what it seemed like a half an hour, probably, it was only three minutes, they came back to our Jeep, and looked at me and he says, \"Sir, these boys are doing a great job for Israel. They're 15,000 miles away from their homes. They're not Jewish, but they are terrific.\"\n\nThey didn't use the word \"terrific\", but he did say a great job. They need to vent occasionally, and we understand that, but you, Mr. Atkin, we ran your ID, and you come back, Mr. Jonathan Atkin as Mossad, and we can't touch you, but because, obviously, you're connected, obviously, you're Jewish, you should know better on the Sabbath.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4759.0,4922.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: [laughs] Great story. You came back as Mossad?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4922.0,4925.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That's what they said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4925.0,4926.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Wow. Now, everything I said, I believe. Your father-- [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4926.0,4930.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Because I don't know how that-- It wasn't a mistake in the sense of seeing just Atkin. I didn't see their computer or whatever it is, or how they-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4930.0,4942.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: The database, they checked, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4942.0,4943.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. I don't know. Could have been a mistake. They could have just seen my father's name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4943.0,4949.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, that's good enough though, for me. [chuckles] This is confirming it. Your father was knee-deep in all the activities that were going on. I'm convinced. I'm convinced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4949.0,4962.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. Here's a Jerusalem policeman or IDF.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4962.0,4971.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Who's confirming the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4971.0,4972.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Shaking his finger at me saying-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4972.0,4974.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: That's funny. Yes, you should know better in Sabbath. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4974.0,4977.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, but it was very clear. He didn't say something or euphemism, or he didn't say, \"Well, I see you're connected with this or you're--,\" he directly said to me, because it's emblazoned in my memory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4977.0,4996.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I bet it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4996.0,4997.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Because it was like, \"Oh\". I had Israeli press credentials. I had to get my hair shaved for what's it called? Bait in Jerusalem, the Israel press officer, but it was--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4997.0,5012.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, GPO. Then, it was housed in-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5012.0,5017.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Bait something or the house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5017.0,5019.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, downtown. They moved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5019.0,5020.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: This is way back. I had an actual IDF card, or that was just a press card, but something or another, but in order to be photographed for the card, I had long college hair and they shaved. They took me to a barber, where I had a glass of Turkish-style coffee, and shaved all my hair off, except for military cut. Then, they said, \"We will photograph you.\" They weren't accepting for whatever high-level credentials they were giving me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5020.0,5051.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Clearly, they had done the background check, and you had passed, and in other words, that's why they had you in the database. Mossad may have been an accident with your father, or it may have just been handed down, meaning, because you're your father's son, you are also under that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5051.0,5068.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Umbrella.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5068.0,5068.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5068.0,5069.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That could be, but, again, it's like the Cherbourg incident, whether or not I was directly registered Mossad, the more important thing, as you said, is knee deep. That was a confirmation of some of his clandestine activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5069.0,5091.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: 100%. You had mentioned something in one of your emails about the Meir Dizengoff, originally, the SS City of Atlanta. What was that story about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5091.0,5101.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I have offered a bottle of very good cognac to anyone who can identify the men that were standing on the bridge of the Meir Dizengoff with my father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5101.0,5116.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: In 19-?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5116.0,5116.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: 50-- I would say '52. I think I sent you the whole. I may be wrong on the exact date, but the Meir Dizengoff was a former Isthmian Line, which was a ship line developed by a U.S. Steel, and they had a number of vessels. They sold them off to Dizengoff Shipping, which was technically, Palestine, Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5116.0,5165.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Israel-Palestine Navigation Company.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5165.0,5166.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Correct. My father, in some way or another, consistent with his having pictures on other ships, clearly, either found the ships, engineered the transfer of the brokerage, or the purchase of those ships. Either by Dizengoff or the Palestinians were doing it, or at a certain point, and this is, in thinking about it, and thinking of the timeline. At one point, ZIM, which was still fully government-owned. ZIM was not privately held until way only recently, it was still 50% owned by the government of Israel, I think through the '70s, if not after her '80s, but it was, at that time, fully owned by government of Israel. ZIM viewed the Dizengoff operation as competition and bought them out. I don't know whether this photograph I have of my father on the bridge of the Meir Dizengoff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5166.0,5244.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Reflected some action that was taking place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5244.0,5247.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Well, it reflected one of two things. The ship being bought by Palestine and Israel Navigation Company early, before ZIM bought the ship, or when ZIM bought the ship, which matches my recollections, that my father is more involved with ZIM than anything. He probably helped broker or engineer the deal. My assumption is, the ship was renamed.\n\nIt was sold by U.S. Steel and it was probably in New York, or perhaps in Baltimore, but whether, if it was in Baltimore and it had been bought by the Dizengoff or Palestine-Israel Navigation, I don't know why it would be back in the United States, so that's hazy. My thinking is set for whatever reason the ship was then-- They may have kept the same name when it was transferred to ZIM. Those ships were old. They were built in 1915, I think, that was the Atlanta City, and then, they were really scrap ships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5247.0,5348.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You had written that it was built in the 1921?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5348.0,5351.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: '21, right. Yes, I verified that because there was a whole database on ships, and shows who built them, who flagged them, all the data. It was built in, I believe in Alabama, and with I think the Chickasaw Iron or Shipbuilding, whatever, but their engines were built and installed here in Carney, New Jersey at the Federal Ship Building plant that built a lot of World War II ships.\n\nWhen they were-- Became owned by whatever Israeli shipping company, they were past their sell-by date. They were really, probably, bought for a song, pennies on the dollar, because they were really ready for the scrap heap, but they weren't. Obviously, they were sound enough to continue a few more years. Wasn't long, but obviously, they served a purpose. My father was on the bridge with these other gentlemen, and I have sent-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5351.0,5428.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Enquiries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5428.0,5429.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -photograph to people around the world, and I haven't got a response, including the PR director of ZIM that I forget his name now, but so if you can find out who they are, I will give you a copy of the picture. I'll email it to you, and you get a bottle of cognac.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5429.0,5448.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: [laughs] Okay. Did you ever--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5448.0,5452.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Again, it emphasizes he is hands-on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5452.0,5454.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5454.0,5458.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He's very hands-on with Israel, and he often characterized his economic practice as juicy economics, as opposed to ivory tower economics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5458.0,5478.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He was, as they say in the field, he was doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5478.0,5481.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He talked about how he would go to a foreign leader, and sit on his desk to make a point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5481.0,5493.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Did you ever ask your mother what your father had been up to, or was she, as your father, understood that loose ships sink ships, and therefore, would never, ever answer that question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5493.0,5511.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It's actually somewhere in between, as most things are. At one time at dinner, in our D.C. area home, there was some discussion, and my mother had asked what-- This was in her vital days. It wasn't during when she got older, but when I was in college. She asked or wasn't clear about really what my father did. She knew he was totally involved with Israel.\n\nShe knew he was a consultant, but somehow or another, I explained at the dinner table what my father did, to my mother, and he was there and he said, \"That's a very good explanation.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5511.0,5575.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/411","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You said?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5575.0,5577.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/412","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't really recall what words I used, but it was specific to economics, and supply and demand, and the distribution of material and goods, and how that integrates into--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5577.0,5594.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/413","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: The building of a state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5594.0,5597.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/414","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: It was not Israel-related question. It was just simply, what does my father do as an economic consultant? My father called himself-\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5597.0,5610.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/415","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5610.0,5623.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/416","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: My father called himself a professional Jew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5623.0,5626.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/417","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: I'm sorry. It's still pretty prominent. Apology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5626.0,5629.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/418","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: We'll save that. [silence]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5629.0,5636.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/419","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Crisscrossing planes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5636.0,5638.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/420","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Could be. Okay. We're good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5638.0,5640.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/421","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Start the sentence again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5640.0,5642.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/422","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: My father referred to himself as a professional Jew, and he often complained that he spent more time with nonprofit Israeli organizations for less money than any other set of clients. He had other clients and other governments that he did consulting work, which included Ghana, and Sierra Leone, and Sri Lanka. Now, I don't know the relationships of Sri Lanka or Sierra Leone, but Ghana was specific, because they were receiving a huge amount, and probably the greatest amount of per capitalist aid from Israel.\n\nThere was a very symbiotic relationship, and some of the former ZIM ships, as I recall, became part of Ghana's ship line, which I believe was Blackstar. There was clearly his advising and consulting to Kwame Nkrumah, and others was directly related to his work for the government of Israel, whether other west African countries, Nigeria, Sierra Leone were directly related to Israel, I don't know. I suspect not.\n\nMy mother never went to Nigeria far as I know with my father. She did go-- Well, but she did go to Ghana, and they really liked Ghana. They liked the folk tales, and the cowrie shells, and the Kente cloth. When I was in junior high school, when they were doing Ghana, and I'd be wearing Kente cloth, not this artificial Taiwan printed stuff, but the real, real stuff.\n\nMuch of that work in Ghana had to do clearly with his association with Israel, because it was related in Israel aid, and I don't know what type of aid Israel provided, but I suspect it was abroad, I don't know whether it was in strictly money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5642.0,5803.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/423","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Time out.\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5803.0,5804.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/424","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5804.0,5815.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/425","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: It's still going. [silence] It's becoming ambient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5815.0,5825.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/426","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. I'm not sure it really interferes much. It's there, but it's not like it's-- You can't hear, you can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5825.0,5832.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/427","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Oh, it's just, if you cut from something, where it's not there to it being here, it will be-- Okay, you can play ball.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5832.0,5839.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know what complexities Israel had with my father being, whether he was serving strictly as a developmental officer, or a developmental consultant with Ghana, which I suspect that was pretty much what he did everywhere, the tie in with Israel may have been just the introduction. I don't know. At one point, speaking of introductions, I was home from college and the phone rang, and I answered it.\n\nThe other end of the line simply said, \"Is this the home of Maurice Atkin?\" I said, \"Yes. Who would like to speak to him?\" \"This is the Office of his Excellency Anwar Sadat, and is Maurice Atkin in?\" I said, \"Yes,\" and I knew enough being my father's son, and all of us in the family knew that this type of stuff was not a joke. We didn't get smart alecky and say, \"Yeah, right. Call back.\" There was enough of this type of stuff, where we knew better. During the Six-Day War, we would get coded telephone calls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5839.0,5938.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/429","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What kind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5938.0,5941.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/430","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: One that I got beat for, because I didn't give my father the message in time, was something to the effect of certain number of trees were needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5941.0,5956.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5956.0,5958.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I took the message and wrote down trees and whatever. My father came home from a evening out or whatever, and I guess the next morning, I said, \"By the way, dad, you got some kind of phone call about trees\" He just nearly hit the roof. [chuckles] I do remember one of his assignments during the Six-Day War was to get the blueprints of the power station at the Aswan Dam, which was built by an American company and which he did by hook or by crook. They were instrumental, those blueprints, to incapacitate the power part, which was essentially Israel saying to Egypt, we can shoot the cigarette out of your mouth, so as opposed to taking out the Aswan dam, which--\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5958.0,6039.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6039.0,6062.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: To take out Aswan dam would've been the equivalent of a nuclear bomb, and would've created untold casualties that would be an unacceptable collateral, and Israel certainly didn't want to do that, but at the last resort, if Israel hadn't been victorious or if it felt it was going to be annihilated, I guess that was an option. I do remember his being tasked to get those blueprints. What role they had or whether-- I don't know whether explosives were laid at different sections of that power station to take it out, but whatever it was, those blueprints were important. That was another event or another thing that was clearly not an economic consulting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6062.0,6122.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/435","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: There's an expression in Israel when you need to go someplace, for example, if you're going from Israel into the Palestinian Territories, and you find someone to take you along and facilitate, that guy's called a handler. Your father was a handler before the expression came about. Your father was the ultimate handler because he was dealing at this level of moving things along and facilitating X, Y, and Z.\n\nMy question among others, knowing what you know about your father, even if you don't know 100% what I just said is true, you know the ballpark of what I just said is true. Do you ever feel, let's say, disappointed that your father is not regarded as a bigger hero than he is because he was so clandestine that no one knows what he did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6122.0,6178.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/436","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In many circles, he's growing up in Washington, he was regarded as Mr. Israel. I think he was given his due and I think that he was well respected for what he was doing. It may not because of clandestine work, but certainly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6178.0,6213.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Not only of course, no. Very legitimate and above board and straight and just facilitating all the different pieces that you need to pull together to make anything happen, and so he was just doing that and that was all fine and known and above board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6213.0,6227.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He made over 90 something trips. I forget what the book said, but 96, 97 trips or 95 or whatever it was, to Israel from Washington DC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6227.0,6237.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/439","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: 95, 97 trips.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6237.0,6239.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/440","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The book says it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6239.0,6239.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I got it. Wow. I was going to ask that question actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6239.0,6242.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In the 90 number, the number was unless I'm wrong, but it's irrelevant whether it's 87 or 97, but regular he was back and forth constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6242.0,6256.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: In the early days by ship only?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6256.0,6257.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No. The first trip he went to Israel far as I know was in '52.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6257.0,6264.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He was already flying?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6264.0,6267.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/446","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He took a Pan Am Clipper, and he was considered-- I think he and my mother went as guests of the government of Israel. He was fetid not only on the airplane, and he was allowed to go up into the cockpit and fly the Pan Am Clipper-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6267.0,6294.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Unbelievable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6294.0,6295.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -because he was a VIP and he was-- His passport, and all of his, he was brought to Israel in a major way. Wasn't just, \"Maury get on the plane. We need to talk to you.\" No. This was his first trip and evidently, it was very, very, very significant. In that respect and in his life in Washington, he was always known for his work with Israel, the government of Israel. As a child, he was tasked to send holiday greetings to various senators, congressmen, functionaries in Department of Commerce, et cetera, et cetera. I always had to go to-- I think I had my driver's license then, or maybe not, but we went to the embassy and got cases and cases of Israeli wine.\n\nThen my job was to package up no more than three bottles because we couldn't exceed the $25 limit of gifts to federal employees. Three bottles in each bag, nice holiday wrapping. I don't even remember whether it was Hanukkah wrapping. I doubt it because most of the people were not Jewish that were getting these. These were government officials, and he was essentially playing the role as lobbyist, and it was a tradition that I did almost every-- I got paid for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6295.0,6416.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/449","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: In his official capacity as--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6416.0,6420.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I'm assuming that it was for the Joint-- I mean, United Israel Appeal or some agency. Although I do think that it said from the governor of Israel. It didn't say-- We had little tags and things, and it was definitely with the seal of the governor of Israel. I think it was part-- I mean, he represented Israel. I don't think there was any fudging as to who was sending these bottles of wine. I think it was in his-- Even though he no longer was an employee of the embassy, the Israel government continued to be his client. I would take these bottles around and take them to people's homes in the evening, whatever.\n\nSome people would refuse it at all, but totally. Whether it was under $25 or not, they just said, no, we just don't. Some said, thank you very much. Who wants to refuse three bottles of, I won't say good, bad or indifferent, I have no idea what it takes to like at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6420.0,6497.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I can see that you obviously were influenced by your father for your love of maritime and all things connected. Where did your father's love and interest of the sea come from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6497.0,6510.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He used to say he always had a boat since he was a teenager. I don't believe it came from his father or his mother. He just liked to be around the water. He grew up in Washington and I mean in Hobart New York, which is landlocked, but he just developed a love for fishing. He was either Israel or fishing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6510.0,6540.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He taught you to tie a fly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6540.0,6542.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No, no. That would be fresh water. No, this was salt water, blood worms, and whatever, but I love the water. I love driving the boat. I love being on the water. I love the seamanship involved with it, but fishing was, \"Eh.\" It wasn't amazing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6542.0,6560.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Did you cook and eat or did you throw it back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6560.0,6563.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In those days we definitely cooked it, definitely. Throw it back if it was undersized, but we absolutely cooked it. I loved to cook fish and I love fish and I'm a want-to-be chef. I would go on trips with him on friends' sailboats and he would always bring a fishing pole even though that's verboten on a beautiful, fiberglass, super-squeaky-clean sailboat to be hauling a blue fish up on the rail, and I would cook them. This would be in October, just this time of year, where the winds are steady and it's delicious and perfect sailing weather and we'd go fishing.\n\nThen I would be in charge of cooking the fish on a hibachi over the side of the sailboat and these were 40-foot sailboats. I found a half-gallon of Cutty Sark scotch and I said, \"Ooh.\" in the bilge. I'm always inventive. I soaked the blue fish in the scotch and grilled it because it's fatty and could withstand it. That was from-- My father was a good cook, and he liked Israeli food. He always talked about, even before I went to Israel, the Israeli breakfasts. My twin sister just came back, as you know, from Israel, from a Hadassah trip. She just raved at the Israeli breakfast that she and her partner had last week. Israel has always been a theme constantly through our growing up in every way, intensely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6563.0,6672.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Did your father talk of what it was that it meant? Meaning, along the lines of \"Son, you know what we're doing? We're building a country.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6672.0,6682.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No. I think that was assumed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6682.0,6687.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Assumed? A given?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6687.0,6688.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: A given. I've never heard him talk in that kind of idealistic flowing words almost to the point where I would hear him complain about the Israeli clients, that they were like herding cats. The difficulties with the Hasidim. I remember we had to run to the port of Baltimore because an Israeli ship was in and the Hasidim were picketing the ship, American Hasidim because the ships have to-- In those days, ships were 5,000-- I mean, the ship that I sailed on, the captain, I told him once-- I'm going off a tangent, but I said, \"There's a sailboat in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Looks like she's floundering.\" He says, \"Well, he doesn't have any wind.\"\n\nI said, \"Well, why don't we stop and see if he needs some food.\" He says, \"Jonathan, this ship is $5,000 a day. We are not going off course unless we hear a mayday.\" I brought that up at a meeting the other day in a marine shipping conference, and I quickly went on my computer and saw that $5,000 a day in 2018 money would've been $40,000 a day, which is how ships are what are called fixed. The cost of that ship in 1970 was really not off base. That said, he never talked about-- Where-- I was-- I went divergent now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6688.0,6798.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: About preaching the Zionist ethos or the--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6798.0,6804.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In the port of Baltimore, he got called because the Hasidim were-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6804.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Demonstrating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6810.0,6811.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -demonstrating, and they wouldn't let the ship unload because it was the Sabbath. We drove to Baltimore. My father talked with them. I don't know whether it was Lubavichers or which, but it doesn't matter. They were getting in the way of international commerce and costing the ship. My father said, \"If I promise you that none of the stevedores-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6811.0,6842.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Are Jewish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6842.0,6842.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: -we're Jewish or are Jewish, will you let the ship load?\" Well, yes. There are no Jewish stevedores in Baltimore. Generally, it's irrelevant what they were because I couldn't tell you. I would assume that in those years probably very much Italian or Irish, but no question, there were no Jews, so they let them load. Again, there was this-- This was an interesting moment in my perception about being Jewish in some ways, is that when we went to the docks and my father asked where it was, and I don't remember which ship. It was a ZIM ship, obviously.\n\nOne of the Stevedores on the dock said, \"Oh, the Jew ship.\" That's how it was referred to. That was like a, not a knife, but it was like, \"Oh, damn.\" That was a revelation. In contrast to no Jewish stevedores on my first trip to Israel, which was on the ZIM ship and I got there and I got off the ship and in the port of Haifa, and I asked my handler because the council official for the United States government, who was the-- It's one of the personal victories my father also talked about was James Sassover, which anyone in that period would have known.\n\nJames Sassover, from what my father said, was the only or the first national of another country that was made an American Consulate official, so an Israeli citizen represented the United States as the counselor in Haifa. That's major, and he was a family friend. He was the one that met me and then introduced me to Dr. Reuben Hecht of the Dagon Silos, who had an amazing story to tell on his--\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6842.0,6994.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6994.0,7006.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That trip to Israel on the Tamara Guilden was an eye-opener to some of the infrastructure of the people that my father worked with. Dr. Reuben Hecht, who I spent a whole afternoon with on the Dagon Silo, which clearly Hecht was a client of my father, and he helped him either get contracts, build the silo, I don't know, but Hecht-- I suspect the silo was built part of German war reparations. Hecht himself, like many Israelis, was an avid archeologist, and he had his own private wheat museum in the silo, which would rival any serious museum. It's worth seeing, but you just can't publicly walk in, or at least then you could not. Maybe it is on tour. I don't know.\n\nHe had amphora that he was able to get out of Phoenician boats that were doing the Fertile Crescent trade. Then when they opened these amphora, wheat was still viable. Ruben Hecht was a visionary, and it was just a wonderful afternoon to visit him. He took me to the roof of the silo and he said, \"You can photograph in this direction, but you can't photograph in that direction,\" because of security of the port or whatever, but he was quite an amazing man. James Sassover, of course, I knew already because he had been in Washington and his wife Lenny and they took me to an orchestra where they-- It was an orchestra of recorders.\n\nThe whole orchestra were from basso recorders to treble. Normally you just see the little high-pitched recorders, but this was an entire orchestra in an orchestra hall, and some where in Haifa. I met people like, I think his first name was Ben, Ben Wydra, W-Y-D-R-A, who was involved with ZIM, and certainly Gershon Kedar and his son Giora who I actually stayed with on one of my trips. There was no lack of people in Haifa or Jerusalem that I couldn't call on from multiple areas. One trip, I mean, he worked with Hadassah in Washington, which he details greatly and there were always issues between Hadassah national office versus the Washington office.\n\nHe did certain programs, particularly with setting up PL 480, that the Washington office was not even aware of, so he had to practice a certain amount of diplomacy if not clandestine movements of information to get the national office on board, but not to be interfered with by the Washington office. My recollection of Denise Tourover who's mentioned in the book and who was fairly blustery and had a very strong personality. My memory of her was I was in Jerusalem walking down the street, and all of a sudden I hear in this high-pitched shrill voice, \"Johnny. Little Johnny Atkin.\"\n\nIt was Denise Tourover visiting Jerusalem, recognizing me from across the street from the King David hotel, shouting out my name. I couldn't get away from my father's Israel. It was constant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7006.0,7255.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: How many trips have you made to Israel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7255.0,7256.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7256.0,7258.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Totally [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7258.0,7258.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7258.0,7258.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Just three. The first time was on the ZIM ship. The second time was I went from my junior year in college in Italy and flew over. That was an interesting trip because it was not too long after the six-day war and the EL AL plane was parked at the Rome airport away from all the other passenger aircraft in a separate area surrounded by military. We had military Jeeps on either wing as we took off. That was the second trip. The third trip was with my father and my twin sister and my mother. I think that was the last trip. That was at a period when the Sinai was being given back when we actually visited Bethlehem.\n\nIt was a period when there had been a number of bombings in Israel and no one was visiting Israel, and the hotels were empty. The hotels in the West Bank where we went to a couple of them they said, \"Come back. Spend money. $20 a night or less.\" They had no one, yet one evening I watched workers scrambling over the fences, the walls in Jerusalem between the West Bank, workers who wanted to get to Israel to work. They weren't infiltrating. It was a stream of people who needed a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7258.0,7376.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. Your father came then because, in fact, no one was coming?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7376.0,7379.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: No. We went on a special United Israel Appeal or Hadassah, one of their multiple trips. No. It was just--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7379.0,7389.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: When did your father die?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7389.0,7396.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I would say five years ago or six. I'd have to check that if that's critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7396.0,7402.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He lived a long life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7402.0,7404.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Oh, he was born in 1917. He died one month before his 95th birthday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7404.0,7411.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7411.0,7412.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: We were planning a fishing trip for him. '17 to 94 is--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7412.0,7417.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7417.0,7419.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I flunked algebra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7419.0,7422.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. I'm just thinking my God, it's so close. I mean that it was so recent that he died and that we missed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7422.0,7428.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I gave an--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7428.0,7430.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He was never interviewed for his life on his life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7430.0,7433.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: You work for the Jerusalem Post. Look up the story. I tried to find it before. I couldn't get the archive for Alligator Man. There's a story about him as alligator man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7433.0,7448.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Bringing the American alligators to the zoo in Israel, which was illegal to export those alligators.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7448.0,7454.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: What he did was to create an industry of alligator farming in Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7454.0,7463.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Hamat Geder, that's where he sent them to Hamat Geder","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7463.0,7466.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/491","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That's beyond my paygrade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7466.0,7469.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/492","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: It was in the book. I did see that set story, that's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7469.0,7471.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That's what he did was to set up alligator farming, and he involved a French company, which was another client, because he was working with them with tanning of hides and there was no company in the United States that knew how to tan alligator hides, or properly. His clients were the Alligator Commission in Florida, Louisiana, but he set up a program in the United States to tag alligators because they were still officially on the endangered species list.\n\nHe set up through the fish and game and wildlife people, the government, a system to tag alligators and have the providence of their being raised on an alligator farm from the whole alligator to the skinning alligator to the same tag with every Judith Leiber purse, who was also his client, all the way through the whole process, which then became acceptable. He repeated that evidently, I think, in Israel. Like I say, I remember the picture of Alligator Man and he's in his desert hat looking like one of these guys on TV who does zoo programs, but nonetheless, he prided himself in setting that up in Israel. That was later, much later in his career, having fun essentially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7471.0,7576.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He can pride himself on anything every decade for the last six, seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7576.0,7586.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I gave one of the eulogies for his funeral at Adas Israel synagogue, the place to be seen by any politician who wanted the Jewish vote. The members, it was the conservative community synagogue, but the largest in Washington.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7586.0,7606.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Oh, wait where Lieberman davens, Joe Lieberman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7606.0,7609.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, of course. Ambassador Goldberg when he was at the UN. It was just the place. I was bar mitzvahed there, and my great grandfather helped found the synagogue. When I had my bar mitzvah, the president of the synagogue was my grandfather, my mother's side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7609.0,7639.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Deep involvement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7639.0,7642.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/499","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: As the Washington Jewish historical Society called our family, Washington Jewish royalty. I gave the eulogy and coming back to Israel, I've been to a lot of funerals here in New York. I used to live in Harlem and I've adapted or adopted the Black Baptist cadence of how to deliver a eulogy. I worked on it for weeks and my father's-- My father always celebrated ZIM. ZIM was important to him in every way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7642.0,7693.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: In every way, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7693.0,7695.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: His favorite ship and there's in his papers, it's actually on my wall here. It's a photograph shot here in New York of the SS Israel. What more favorite ship could you have, but the second, and it was built by war reparations, named Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7695.0,7719.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Can we take a minute?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7719.0,7720.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7720.0,7721.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Need to have a battery change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7721.0,7722.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Should I get the picture and show it or 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then--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7737.0,7739.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, we'll start 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Can you look at it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7746.0,7765.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Look at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7765.0,7771.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, that's good, and now we're up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7771.0,7773.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Now start the sentence, \"This ship.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7773.0,7776.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: This ship, SS Israel, was my father's favorite ZIM ship. It was not the first ship to be built for Israel, but it was certainly his favorite because, duh, SS Israel. His other favorite ship was the SS Shalom. For my father's eulogy, I coined a phrase because the tagline for the advertising for the Shalom was, \"Once in a blue sea, a ship like Shalom.\" I use that phrase in my father's eulogy, \"Once in a blue sea,\" and I started out. Actually, I started out by saying, \"Ladies and gentlemen, my father would complain that we're all here and not out fishing,\" and then I paused. Then I started with, \"Once in a blue sea, a man named Maury. Once in a blue sea, a ship like Maury Atkin.\"\n\nI continued that cadence as I discussed it or delivered the whole eulogy. It was appropriate because he loved the Shalom. He was heartbroken when the ship on Thanksgiving hit the Stolt Dagali off of the New Jersey and cut that ship in half with lives lost. Shalom got back on its power and went to drydock in Norfolk or Newport News. He got the call and we went down to see the Shalom and to meet the captain. I don't recall whether it was a fact-finding or what his role was because I was young, '65. I have it in my notes, but I do recall going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7776.0,7939.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: '64.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7939.0,7940.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: '64.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7940.0,7941.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Thanksgiving 1964.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7941.0,7942.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7942.0,7942.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Just hold that thought.\n\n[background noise]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7942.0,7949.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: One second. Hold on. Captain Freudenberg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7949.0,7953.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Right, who he knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7953.0,7957.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You went down with your family dog Spotty. 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I do know that my mother certainly went and I went and the dog Spotty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7960.0,7982.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Was it an accident? I suppose somebody being drunk as opposed to maleficence or on deck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7982.0,7991.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: There was no determination by any right or wrong because it happened outside of territorial borders of United States, so it didn't come under any jurisdiction of law enforcement or determination. The insurance companies settled and there was a certain amount of money provided for each lives lost who were still diving. I don't know what that was, but it was settled. In court, out of court, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7991.0,8024.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Once again, a situation has occurred and your father gets the call.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8024.0,8028.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Was the point man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8028.0,8029.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: The point man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8029.0,8030.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8030.0,8031.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Over and over and over again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8031.0,8032.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. We went to see the Shalom and Captain Freudenberg I believe did know my father from having been on other ships. As a matter of fact, several of our family vacations were on Zim cargo ships. Not a bad vacation. We went through the entire St. Lawrence Seaway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8032.0,8059.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/539","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8059.0,8060.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/540","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, and we had the owner's cabin, and we were the only passengers. This was way before-- There occasionally were other passengers, real hard-- Today you can book passages lots of cargo ships. It's a revenue stream, but those days it had to be for the real intrepid voyagers because there was never any guarantee, anything. We went on I think it was the ship the Tapuz for orange. Went through the-- Fredenberg may have been the captain on that, but I'm not sure. We also went on another ship, I believe the Be'er Sheva from Coatzacoalcos Allende in Mexico picking up a cargo of horrific sulfur. Then we crossed the Gulf eventually into Panama City, and that's where we actually loaded our Chevrolet Impala on the ship, the privileges of being connected with ZIM, in a big cargo sling and loaded up on a deck. Where it was to be a leisurely fun trip, again, he became a point man in that the Mexican authorities tried to play the ship. While it was loaded said scuba divers have discovered underwater obstruction and you can't take the ship out, that it might hole the ship or whatever that there was this unidentified underwater obstruction.\n\nMy father, I've never seen him so mad. He was livid, but he sprang into action. We were on this hellhole of a port up the Coatzacoalcos River, near Veracruz, and Veracruz was obviously the closest place. Somehow he got word and had a case of, as I recall, cognac delivered to whoever authorities were holding up the ship, and all of a sudden, guess what? The obstruction vanished and we sailed. What the captain might have done if my father had not been on board or had the capability of getting a shipment of cognac to the ship, who knows?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8060.0,8256.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/541","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: This has been really fantastic. Is there anything that I've not asked you about your father that you feel that history should have recorded?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8256.0,8265.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/542","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. Tons of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8265.0,8267.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/543","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Obviously. He wrote a whole book, and we could replay the-- Actually, I used to tell the story about five minutes ago. Just having a catch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8267.0,8272.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Oh, I--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8272.0,8273.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. You first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8273.0,8276.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Because I interrupted or the airplanes interrupted. When the phone call came from Anwar Sadat and that was not--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8276.0,8285.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Hold it right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8285.0,8285.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Over there. Plane's--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8285.0,8286.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Plane's coming right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8286.0,8287.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: It's going to interrupt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8287.0,8287.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Right, what I'm saying. I heard that one coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8287.0,8296.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Can we go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8296.0,8297.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8297.0,8302.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In his self-biography book, something happened. Someone didn't do what they were supposed to do, and the chapter about Egypt was never published and his involvement with going to Egypt as an economic consultant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8302.0,8323.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You describe that in among his papers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8323.0,8325.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: This, he printed out later for all of us who got copies of the book, members of the family. I haven't really read it, but the signature moment was when that call came from Anwar Sadat and I picked it up and my father came and indeed it was Sadat. He said, \"Jonathan, this is one call I think you should listen in on.\" I don't remember the other discussion, but I think Sadat or I was asked to hang up after a certain few minutes, and plus it was underwater cable. It wasn't like today where a phone call to Israel or Egypt just doesn't cost anything and it's clear. Sadat said to my father, \"Do you mind if I call you Maury,\" because that's what everyone who knew my father would call him, Maury, not Maurice.\n\nHe didn't like hearing Maurice unless it was a formal moment, but Maury was appropriate. Obviously, Sadat had done his homework and knew that my father was called Maury. My father said, \"Sure, no problem.\" Sadat said, well, I don't know what the first phrase or two was but, \"We want you to come to Cairo.\" My father said, \"Your excellency, you know I am a registered foreign agent for the government of Israel.\" There was a pause. Then you could hear Sadat laughing all the way across the Mediterranean and the Atlantic without the phone. It was a deep affectionate well-knowing laugh. He said, \"Maury, we have been following you since 1952. We know exactly who you are.\"\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8325.0,8466.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8466.0,8479.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I'm glad you remembered that story to tell us what we got interrupted before by the plane. Wow. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8479.0,8488.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/559","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: The three people that I witnessed my father crying over their deaths was Sadat, was his closest and best friend Marver Bernstein who taught at Hebrew University was the president of Brandeis University, who was the head of the Woodrow Wilson School, who was an economist, whose wife and my mother had similar interests. Marver played the piano. My mother played the piano. It was a couple who were bonded by Israel for their love of Israel because Marver had his own condo in Jerusalem for a period of time. I visited him on one of my trips and stayed with him.\n\nThis was one of those rare friendships where all four parties, the two husbands and wives, got along famously because they shared so much, and what was the anchor? Israel, but not superficially because Marver was also an economist and they shared the culture, the food, and living there. He cried when Marver was killed and because of my father's involvement in Egypt and when I went to Egypt was on one of the first EL AL flights to Cairo courtesy of my father and in an unmarked EL AL plane. Somehow or another, he encouraged Marver who was my brother's godfather. My godfather was the first ambassador from Israel. Encouraged him and his wife to finally visit Cairo.\n\nThey stayed at the Sheraton Heliopolis, which had a fire and they perished. Wrecked my father because he felt, I think, responsible, that he--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8488.0,8638.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/560","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Encouraged, certainly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8638.0,8639.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/561","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, and that tragedy. The third person that he visibly cried was when the prime minister of Israel was assassinated. He knew him. Rabin had been in Washington, the ambassador. They were friends, but he was-- A lot of people didn't like him, a lot of people did. It doesn't make any difference. There was a bond between Rabin and my father at the highest levels and at a friendship level, on a personal level and a working level because of all the things that we have talked about in this interview. Those are the three times. Three out of three were connected to Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8639.0,8705.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/562","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: To Israel, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8705.0,8706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/563","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Sorry, I don't want to interrupt this, but we got 14 minutes on this pack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8706.0,8711.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/564","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: That's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8711.0,8711.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/565","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: We're fine. My God, the time goes fast. Go ahead. It's wonderful. I had no idea it would be this good because, like I said, I'm not used to doing second generation. One guy I did was weak because he just told a few things that he knew and that was it, but you really know, and, and, and, your father's not incidental. Your father is substantively involved in all that was going on for 50 years. That's something that we don't get on first-generation, let alone second, so that's fantastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8711.0,8746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/566","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: You asked about whether he got his due. Anytime there was a family celebration or there was an anniversary for their wedding or whatever, balloons were always blue and white, table clothes were blue and white. It was a fundamental sensibility in a family. There were always stories that were so riveting, but even some where he visited Masada once and he was toured around by the director, or whatever. My father found this incredible shard and he kept it and kept it and walked around Masada. Finally, he asked the directors, \"Could I have just found something that's really exquisitely amazing or ancient,\" or whatever he asked him. The director examined the shard, said, \"Well, it is amazing.\"\n\nHe took my father over to one of the rental Johnny-on-the-Spot toilets and matched the tile to the toilet base.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8746.0,8834.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/567","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Toilet base, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8834.0,8835.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Said, \"Yes, it's important.\" There are humorous moments where-- slap, slap. [chuckles]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8835.0,8852.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8852.0,8854.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: There were plenty of things like that, but one of his greatest joys was also, my father was an avid scuba diver, and he took his regulator and his mask and his fins wherever he went. He was more upset with the Sinai being given back because he lost his favorite diving spot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8854.0,8874.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, although there are some in Eilat. I've done it and it's amazing Chof Eilat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8874.0,8880.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He came back with stories about fish with an orange circle and two stripes that he would never see anywhere else. Aside from the discussions of the family dinner table that Sinai was a venting piece of geography for a lot of Israelis to go camping to get out of the intensity of what Israeli life is, that I thought is probably the larger loss, aside from having a bit of geography for the Israeli air force to practice in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8880.0,8917.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/573","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Where is he buried?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8917.0,8918.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/574","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: In Washington, at Adas Israel Synagogue cemetery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8918.0,8921.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/575","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: He could have been buried in Israel. He could have been given a royal treatment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8921.0,8928.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/576","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't know that. I've never even heard that even brought up as a possibility. He's buried next to his wife. Well, she was buried next to him because he died first. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8928.0,8943.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/577","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No. I asked the question in part because just as my role of interviewing people throughout my life as a journalist, it seems to me your father, in history, in the scope of history, has not gotten his full due.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8943.0,8964.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/578","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: You bring up the word scope, which reminds me, and it's covered very thoroughly in his book, but his role in building Hadassah Hospital at Mount Scopus, and on one of my trips with him, he was so proud to walk his children through Hadassah Hospital that he had built. He had gotten the funding from the US government, and he worked very hard at that. That was, I think, his crowning achievement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8964.0,8998.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Of all the achievements?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8998.0,8999.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. I mean, it was a structure. It was helping. He was prou--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8999.0,9007.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/581","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: In the hospital obviously, you're saving lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9007.0,9009.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/582","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He was proud of the pool that he showed me that he helped fund that rehabilitated amputees from the various Israeli wars and bombings and everything else that the bottom of the pool actually hydraulically raised so that it could be six inches or six feet. At that time, we'd heard all this stuff and it was like, \"Oh dad, this is so boring,\" but it was only later that the realization of what an achievement that was, and it was very complex.\n\nNow, my twin sister was in Israel two weeks ago and she visited the hospital, and far as she could tell there was the newer generation of Hadassah people may not know anything about my father, but she was moved to be there. In his book, he talks about how he and my mother at the opening of the Hadassah Hospital were honored guests in the front row of the assembled dignitaries, and the Washington, DC, representatives of Hadassah were surprised he was in the front row.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9009.0,9098.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Because they had no idea what he had done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9098.0,9100.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: They had no idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9100.0,9101.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Once again, a quiet man who goes about the business, takes care of business not looking for the applause, gets it done, sits in the front row because he deserves to sit in the front row.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9101.0,9116.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. Once in a blue sea, a man like Maury.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9116.0,9124.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/587","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I'm blown away. I got to be honest. I'm just blown away by this man's life. Just blown away. When did it dawn on you that, \"My father has done a lot for that country\"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9124.0,9135.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/588","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: When other people had mentioned, who were not him, because again, he boasted and certain things were not necessarily true, and when my sister was in Israel and met with friends of the family and said, \"Well, there's a little fudging in that book.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9135.0,9158.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/589","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Being a man of the sea, he also knew how to tell a fish story. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9158.0,9163.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/590","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Indeed, indeed, but 98 trips were not done--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9163.0,9169.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9169.0,9173.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Whatever. I think we want to--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9173.0,9174.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No. Even if he was a man who would occasionally lapse into bluster over some mission that he accomplished.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9174.0,9183.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, he would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9183.0,9185.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: The real missions, which he would never speak about, worth everything because of its importance. This was a man who made it happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9185.0,9195.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He does talk about alligators in Israel-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9195.0,9198.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/597","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. 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I mean, take it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12813.0,12817.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/602","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: That's okay. He's allowed. There's nothing else I did not ask you specifically about him or you've not told about that really is important for history? 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I don't know if that's important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12829.0,12838.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: It's in the book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12838.0,12839.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12839.0,12840.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/606","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: You said you think it was '49. 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If you want to know the truth, that's a hell of a story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12858.0,12863.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/609","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes. That was the clip that I said should perhaps end the--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12863.0,12866.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/610","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes. Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12866.0,12867.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Maybe Rabin later, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12867.0,12869.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No, no, no. It's all good. It's all good. I'm not trying to force anything. I'm not paid by the hour. 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[silence] He and I would trade war stories. 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Did you go to the Knesset?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12955.0,12961.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: As a tourist, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12961.0,12962.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: No, as a VIP.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12962.0,12964.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: I don't have any recollection of anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12964.0,12968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Okay. Or the president's house or the prime minister's house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12968.0,12972.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He did when he went to see Ben-Gurion. Are we rolling now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12972.0,12976.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12976.0,12977.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Yes, we're good. We've got two minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12977.0,12980.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He went to see him at his home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12980.0,12988.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Sde Boker in the Negev.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12988.0,12990.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: Yes, in the Negev. His wife was away, and he was sick. He said, \"Do you know? If she was here, she would not let me have a visitor, but she's not.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=12990.0,13005.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: I want to see you, so I'm letting you come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=13005.0,13007.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Atkin: He saw him in his bathrobe. That was when I think Ben-Gurion asked him to make aliyah. That was a seminal moment for my father to have a private moment with the father of Israel. I have a picture. I think it's in his book too. Unfortunately, it's very faded, but it's signed. It's in my collection, but yes. 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Is that permitted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=13061.0,13070.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wohlgelernter: Yes, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=13070.0,13073.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macklin: Do you want me to cut, or you can use your phone? This is room tone.\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=13073.0,16362.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48821/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\n[sound cut]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=16362.0,9500.075"}]},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English transcript for captions 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Good catch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=83.3,84.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You'll know better how to do that,\nbut let me see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=84.7,88.15"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess I'm an assistant who knows\nall this stuff better than I 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9:45.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=91.82,92.87"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=92.87,93.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Small stuff was quick and 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I know. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=115.92,117.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very talented guy, obviously.\nYes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=118.05,120.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=122.87,124.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=124.5,125.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where in Israel do you live?\nJerusalem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=125.75,127.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My girlfriend's Israeli.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=127.95,129.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh. How's it going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=129.4,130.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How's it working out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=130.85,131.82"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=131.82,132.57"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, we'll be in Israel probably in 19th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=132.75,136.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But if not for sure, in 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=137.0,139.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This isn't moving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=140.7,141.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do not know that they make it.\n[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=141.9,144.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She's in theater and she can't--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=144.5,146.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or Oregon wherever you like.\n[crosstalk].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=146.5,149.35"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe LA, probably not even,\nmaybe London,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=149.52,151.42"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=151.42,153.2"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nice. We do you live at?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=153.2,154.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You want me on an angle?\nWhere?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=154.75,156.42"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"84th Broadway.\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=156.52,159.07"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Not that far.\nI think you were fine where you were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=159.22,161.57"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Although I like a little farther 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One second.\nI just want to make a quick adjustment","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=214.77,217.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just so you guys have some--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=217.37,218.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're good to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=219.97,220.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There we go. Thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=220.87,222.2"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That would be Atkin,\nA-T-K-I-N, no S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=222.35,226.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I sounded, like I said 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[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=789.12,792.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are we rolling?\nHow are you feeling, John?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=794.82,796.6"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, I feel 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immune.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=811.07,815.42"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's the other guy whose going to get\n[crosstalk] sucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=815.55,818.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I continually think that\nI'm 24 years old and I'm 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Same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=825.37,827.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's incredible to understand\nhow much getting old sucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=827.92,831.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, I had been a licensed\ncaptain in the port for 15 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me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=845.62,848.77"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just can't be on a deck or pulling a-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=848.9,851.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You had to be right.\nJust straight beyond, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=851.5,854.3"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I just said all screw it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=854.3,855.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got my publicity out of 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Testing one, two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=864.77,866.15"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/893","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You hear me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=866.17,867.22"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/894","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hear you loud and clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=867.32,868.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/895","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had my bar mitzvah in Passover,\nwhich I've never had anything","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=868.85,874.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/896","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but a piece of Pesachdiker 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Passover","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=877.97,879.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/899","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I've never had anything but\na Pesachdiker cake for my--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=879.7,883.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/900","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm going to tell you something\nwhen I move the 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locked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=890.22,896.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of those latches is locked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=896.17,898.02"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They go opposite 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go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=906.25,907.72"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/909","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, we're going to have to let him\nin though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=912.77,914.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/910","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, he didn't get\nwhat you're 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anyway","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=918.95,922.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so it doesn't matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=922.7,923.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nobody's going 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You can hold up the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=930.72,931.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You want to shoot that?\nOh yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=931.92,933.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just hold it like this in front\nof your chest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=933.2,934.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Straight up.\nNo straight like the back, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=934.45,936.15"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hold on, your fingers.\nRight, right. Straight up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=936.15,939.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/923","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=939.0,940.3"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/924","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Could you go a little higher with 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years","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=964.15,967.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and there's some stuff\nthat's probably not 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email.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=973.3,974.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/934","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's hyperbole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=974.75,975.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/935","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. You write that in the email.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=975.75,977.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/936","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. All my siblings,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=977.62,980.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/937","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we all have discussed some of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=980.8,982.3"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/938","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Give me one of these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=982.3,983.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/939","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"right next to your face\nand you're looking at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=983.87,986.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/940","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=989.92,991.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/941","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=994.55,995.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/942","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=996.17,997.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/943","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One second. We on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=998.52,1000.27"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/944","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we're going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1000.42,1001.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/945","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Navigating the federal regulations\nof getting food overseas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1003.95,1006.82"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/946","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had early experience,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1006.82,1008.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/947","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as you had said,\nas a agriculture economist","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1008.8,1012.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/948","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with the United States Department\nof Agriculture,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1012.62,1014.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/949","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he was involved directly with the food\nsurplus program within the 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480.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1036.47,1039.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/954","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That he may have advised\nSenator Humphrey,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=1040.05,1042.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/955","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"makes sense, given Minnesota\nand being a wheat state, et 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Come on up.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2844.87,2846.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I told him what the chief mate had said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2847.32,2850.77"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said, \"I'll take care of 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again.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2889.5,2891.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[chuckles]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2892.17,2893.87"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That'll do 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Your brother, Joe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2901.77,2904.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brother Joe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2904.32,2905.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They carried on the deck, I 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yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2990.72,2993.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I have log books, if I 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boatman,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=2998.42,3002.07"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1431","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"yachtsman and these are logbooks\nthat he kept from two of his favorite vessels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3002.3,3010.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1432","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Could you bring them up 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Could you look at them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3026.2,3027.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1437","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, back at camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3028.3,3030.22"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1438","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In which he 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vaguely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3126.32,3129.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With a daughter, Tamar Meirav.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3130.92,3133.3"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ehud Meirav, and Amos,\nEizan, E-I-Z-A-N.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3133.95,3140.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are some Meiravs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3144.65,3146.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In 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Enon","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3194.82,3196.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a continual drumbeat of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3201.72,3210.2"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here's one totally in 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Generic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3232.32,3234.42"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3234.72,3236.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can't really read his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3236.7,3238.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Really, it's Tolbar?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3239.62,3244.95"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3250.42,3251.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know that certainly several\nof them were navy-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3254.2,3259.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Navy people. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3259.45,3261.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3261.12,3262.1"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That translated 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are.\nOkay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3270.25,3271.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That translated into on my last trip\nto Israel with my father,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3271.32,3277.3"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where he was able to get access,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3277.57,3282.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and we would travel to see\na clandestine IDF Air 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protected","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3295.85,3301.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for the visibility otherwise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3302.52,3304.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I asked one of the pilots,\nand I think they were our--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3304.37,3308.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember which aircraft,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3308.35,3310.6"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but in the '80s,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3310.6,3312.07"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"could they have been Phantoms\nor something else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3312.17,3314.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't 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know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3333.62,3334.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To hear it said by a pilot saying,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3336.8,3340.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"We answer to a higher authority.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3341.82,3343.95"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3343.95,3345.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is a fact, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3345.5,3347.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Indeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3347.1,3348.15"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What this indicates to me\nis your father was under the radar,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3348.15,3354.02"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he wasn't \"famous,\" but he, obviously,\nwas doing [crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3354.25,3361.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a damn good enough job\nthat Israeli naval commanders","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3363.32,3367.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would feel comfortable and familiar\nwith him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3368.6,3372.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and his operations to be on his boat,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3372.17,3374.02"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to hang with him,\nto correspond with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3374.25,3377.77"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a player that no one knows 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to.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3381.77,3384.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was old school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3384.35,3385.65"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Even though we know that he spent\nquite a bit of time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3385.85,3390.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"inflating some of his importance,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3391.07,3394.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"after all-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3394.35,3395.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Justified.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3397.77,3399.02"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, if you're working\nand engineering and 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'67.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3604.02,3605.3"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1579","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"'67.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3605.3,3606.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1580","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That makes sense because I graduated\nfrom high school in 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I've never seen the book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3890.17,3893.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Abraham, I know the author.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3893.0,3895.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was a journalist in 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\"theft\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3961.15,3963.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was clearly--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=3963.67,3965.2"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know all the details,\nbut it was a face-saving 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Do you want to change batteries?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4287.65,4289.27"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's okay.\nYes. 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I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4944.17,4945.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1925","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Could have been a mistake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4945.77,4946.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1926","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They could have just seen my father's name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4947.05,4949.2"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1927","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4949.2,4950.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1928","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's good enough though, for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4951.32,4954.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1929","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[chuckles]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4954.0,4955.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1930","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is confirming it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4955.52,4956.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Your father was knee-deep\nin all the activities that were going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=4956.7,4961.27"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm convinced. 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19-?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5116.35,5117.57"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1982","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"50--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5117.57,5119.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/1983","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say 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We're good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5639.9,5641.07"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2097","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Start the sentence again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5641.07,5642.35"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2098","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father referred to himself\nas a professional 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I'm not sure\nit really interferes much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5825.22,5829.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's there, but it's not like it's--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5829.2,5831.07"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can't hear, you 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introduction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5856.52,5860.07"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5861.0,5862.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At one point,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5864.35,5865.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"speaking of introductions,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5865.67,5867.42"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was home from college","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5868.27,5870.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the phone rang, and I answered it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5870.57,5873.57"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other end of the line simply 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\"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5884.55,5886.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Who would like to speak to him?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5886.0,5887.65"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"This is the Office\nof his Excellency Anwar Sadat,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5887.97,5893.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and is Maurice Atkin in?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5895.42,5898.27"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"Yes,\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5901.37,5903.15"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I knew enough being my father's son,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5903.32,5908.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and all of us in the family knew\nthat this type of stuff was not a joke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5908.62,5915.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We didn't get smart alecky and say,\n\"Yeah, right. Call back.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5917.57,5921.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was enough of this type of stuff,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5923.97,5926.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"where we knew better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5928.67,5932.77"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"During the Six-Day War,\nwe would get coded telephone calls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5933.15,5937.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What kind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5938.27,5939.95"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One that I got beat for,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5941.8,5945.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because I didn't give my father\nthe message in time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5945.67,5949.02"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was something to the effect\nof certain number of trees were needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5949.27,5956.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5956.32,5958.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I took the message\nand wrote down trees and whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5958.67,5962.22"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father came home\nfrom a evening out or 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trees\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=5968.97,5971.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He just nearly hit the 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take out Aswan dam\nwould've been the equivalent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6062.32,6064.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of a nuclear bomb,\nand would've created untold casualties","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=6065.0,6071.22"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that would be an unacceptable 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Spend money.\n$20 a night or less.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7345.0,7350.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They had no one, yet one evening\nI watched workers scrambling over the fences,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7350.6,7359.47"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the walls in Jerusalem\nbetween the West Bank,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7359.5,7364.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2495","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"workers who wanted to get\nto Israel to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7364.27,7368.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They weren't 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Hadassah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7381.02,7384.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2502","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of their multiple trips.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7386.0,7387.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. It was just--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7387.97,7389.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When did your father die?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7389.52,7391.47"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I would say five years ago or six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7396.55,7399.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd have to check that if that's critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7402.12,7403.82"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He lived a long life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7403.82,7405.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, he was born in 1917.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7405.67,7408.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He died one month before his 95th birthday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7408.05,7411.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7411.55,7412.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were planning\na fishing trip for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7412.75,7414.77"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"'17 to 94 is--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7416.02,7419.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7419.32,7420.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I flunked 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I'm just thinking my God,\nit's so close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7421.72,7425.45"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean that it was so recent that\nhe died and that we missed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7425.62,7428.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I gave an--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7428.62,7429.75"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was never interviewed\nfor his life on his life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7431.12,7433.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You work for the Jerusalem Post.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7433.4,7435.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Look up the story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7436.32,7438.42"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I tried to find it 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man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7444.42,7447.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bringing the American\nalligators to the zoo in Israel,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7448.25,7452.02"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2525","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which was illegal to export\nthose alligators.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7452.07,7454.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What he did was to create\nan industry of alligator farming in Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7455.35,7462.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hamat Geder, that's where\nhe sent them to Hamat Geder","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7463.35,7466.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2528","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's beyond my paygrade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7466.57,7468.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was in the 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Hold on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7949.1,7950.65"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Captain Freudenberg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=7951.75,7953.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, who he 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You first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8273.32,8275.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because I interrupted\nor the airplanes interrupted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8275.82,8278.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When the phone call came\nfrom Anwar Sadat and that was not--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8278.6,8285.1"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hold it right there.\nOver there. Plane's--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8285.1,8286.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Plane's coming right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8286.7,8288.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right, what I'm saying.\nI heard that one 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go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8297.35,8298.95"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In his self-biography book,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8301.77,8305.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8306.25,8307.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2719","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Someone didn't do what\nthey were supposed to do,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8307.85,8310.82"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the chapter about Egypt\nwas never published","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8311.02,8314.77"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and his involvement\nwith going to Egypt","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8318.62,8321.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as an economic 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book,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8325.07,8329.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"members of the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8329.8,8331.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I haven't really read 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Maurice","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8400.55,8402.85"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unless it was a formal moment,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8403.12,8404.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but Maury was 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\"Maury,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8459.12,8461.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we have been following you since 1952.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8461.9,8464.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We know exactly who you 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[chuckles]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8850.35,8851.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8851.8,8852.67"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were plenty of things like that,\nbut one of his greatest joys was 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loss,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8904.72,8907.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"aside from having a bit\nof geography for the Israeli air force","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8908.37,8913.55"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to practice 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cemetery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8918.52,8921.97"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He could have been buried in Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=8921.97,8924.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He could have been given a royal 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Oh, yes. Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9169.12,9172.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2924","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whatever. 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[?] there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9198.3,9199.62"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2933","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-and the VIP guests, Israeli government,\nI guess on the first trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9199.62,9202.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2934","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, like I said, I didn't get enough\nto be able to go through it in detail,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9204.6,9209.37"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2935","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but now I'm more interested\nto read this book because--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9209.62,9212.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2936","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some of it is chronologically wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9212.9,9215.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2937","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, take it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9215.5,9217.05"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2938","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's okay. 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'52.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9255.45,9256.9"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2951","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. That was a fun moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9257.05,9258.15"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2952","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll never forget that myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9258.22,9259.5"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2953","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you want to know the truth,\nthat's a hell of a story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9259.55,9261.25"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2954","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. That was the clip that\nI said should perhaps end the--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9262.87,9266.32"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2955","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9266.32,9267.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2956","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe Rabin later, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9267.52,9269.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2957","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, no, no.\nIt's all good. It's all good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9269.12,9271.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2958","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not trying to force anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9272.87,9274.52"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2959","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not paid by the hour.\nIt's just if I'm missing 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Israel,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9299.37,9303.17"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2965","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which unfortunately are dying off,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400#t=9303.17,9305.7"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2147/collection_resources/105054/file/205400/transcript/48822/annotation/2966","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was very significant,\nand they 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