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היה...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=3911.12,3913.28"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/1001","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"מה שאני כן זוכר מאותה\nתקופה זה הנושא היהודי,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=3913.36,3917.36"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/1002","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"שעד היום שמדברים על...\nאיך הם קוראים 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לרשותכם,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=5150.4,5153.88"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/1337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ואז הוא... שם ויויאן היה גם כן בישיבה\nוהוא אמר לו:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=5153.96,5158.64"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/1338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"אני רוצה...\" הרצוג...\nויויאן היה 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\"לוקהיד\"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9328.0,9329.72"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2450","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"בתהליך שיתוף הפעולה עם \"לוקהיד\"\nצריך היה לפתוח משרד","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9329.84,9332.76"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2451","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"והם לא רצו לפתוח משרד משל עצמם\nבגלל הקשרים לעולם הערבי,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9332.84,9337.16"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אז הם ביקשו ממני שאני אהיה\nהנציג של \"לוקהיד\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9337.24,9339.96"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אני תכף אספר גם, אפרופו זה,\nעל גרמניה, אני אחזור 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גרמניה?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9349.2,9353.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"כי על רקע זה שידעו שיש לי איזשהו\nקשר לנושאי כלכלה,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9353.48,9357.68"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"וכך הלך והקמנו את נושא ה\"חץ\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9358.24,9361.28"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"במקביל, פנה אליי\nאולי קצת לפני זה אפילו,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451#t=9361.36,9365.08"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89563/file/185451/transcript/42813/annotation/2459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"פנה אליי מי שהיה מנכ\"ל \"אל סנטק\",\nתכף אני איזכר בשמו, ואמר 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