{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/xw47p8vh8v/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Harold Katz"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/222/original/TY-Logo-Transparent.png?1644468017","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["M61 (videorecording identifier)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description / תיאור"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eHarold Katz interviewed by Aryeh Halivni on June 14, 2007 in Ramat HaSharon\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eInterviewer: Aryeh Halivni \u003cbr\u003eVideographer: Shlomi Albo - Promo Films \u003cbr\u003eJune 14, 2007 \u003cbr\u003eRamat HaSharon\u003c/p\u003e (general)","\u003cp\u003eHarold Katz grew up in Terre Haute, Indiana, was valedictorian of his high school, and attended Harvard College. After serving in the Navy during WWII, he returned to Harvard for law school. He dropped out of Harvard Law School to volunteer for Aliyah Bet and served on the Hatikvah (originally the Tradewinds). The ship was intercepted by the British and towed into Haifa harbor on May 17, 1947 and Katz was sent to Cyprus along with the refugees from the ship. In Cyprus, Katz and the other Americans prepared a bomb which they used to blow up the British prison ship Empire Lifeguard on July 23, 1947 in retaliation for the deportation of the Exodus five days earlier.\u003c/p\u003e (summary)","\u003cp\u003eBorn: 1921\u003cbr\u003eBirthplace: Vaslui, Romania\u003cbr\u003eDied: December 31, 2019, Israel\u003c/p\u003e (other)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of Toldot Yisrael.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["Murray Greenfield (is referenced by)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2007-06-14 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Video"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eHarold Katz interviewed by Aryeh Halivni on June 14, 2007 in Ramat HaSharon\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eInterviewer: Aryeh Halivni \u003cbr /\u003eVideographer: Shlomi Albo - Promo Films \u003cbr /\u003eJune 14, 2007 \u003cbr /\u003eRamat HaSharon\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eHarold Katz grew up in Terre Haute, Indiana, was valedictorian of his high school, and attended Harvard College. After serving in the Navy during WWII, he returned to Harvard for law school. He dropped out of Harvard Law School to volunteer for Aliyah Bet and served on the Hatikvah (originally the Tradewinds). The ship was intercepted by the British and towed into Haifa harbor on May 17, 1947 and Katz was sent to Cyprus along with the refugees from the ship. In Cyprus, Katz and the other Americans prepared a bomb which they used to blow up the British prison ship Empire Lifeguard on July 23, 1947 in retaliation for the deportation of the Exodus five days earlier.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eBorn: 1921\u003cbr /\u003eBirthplace: Vaslui, Romania\u003cbr /\u003eDied: December 31, 2019, Israel\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAll rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical, recorded by any information storage and retrieval system, without the express written consent of Toldot Yisrael.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Toldot Yisrael"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Toldot Yisrael"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/222/original/TY-Logo-Transparent.png?1644468017","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/148/616/small/open-uri20220203-39867-9bee0o?1643868874","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Harold Katz - Full interview"]},"duration":9572.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/148/616/small/open-uri20220203-39867-9bee0o?1643868874","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ0s8TOiCyE","type":"Video","format":"video/youtube","duration":9572.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Harold Katz - English transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh Halivni: [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=24.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] Economics Minister whatever you call the adviser based in New York and you're counselor of [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=24.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=35.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold Katz: This is great.\n\n[background conversation]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=41.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Hey, I am Aryeh Halivni sitting here with Harold Katz in Ramat HaSharon on June 14th, 2007. Why don't you begin by telling us a little bit about where you were born and growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=69.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Well, briefly, I was born actually in a small town in Romania, my mother's hometown called Vaslui. My father was also Romanian from a nearby town called Botoșani. When I was about three months old, my parents emigrated, came to America, 1921, bringing me a babe in arms to the United States. We promptly settled in Savannah, Georgia, where my father was a Hebrew teacher, a baal korei, baal tefillah [Hebrew language] until age seven, at which point my father got a permanent position in Terre Haute, Indiana at Temple B'nai Abraham. It was a new orthodox synagogue in Terre Haute where he was acting rabbi but he stopped his Shkhita and he limited himself to teaching and to being the [Hebrew language] where I grew up until I went off to college in 1939.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=85.0,160.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=160.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=162.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: You will see that all my formative years were in Terre Haute, Indiana. Thank you\n\n[background conversations]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=168.0,188.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Speaker: You can put the glass there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=188.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=190.0,204.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Can you tell me a little bit about your parents about what their backgrounds were what they were like and the names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=204.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes. My mother's name was Malvina and my father was Eli, Eliahu. They came of course from the usual Eastern European religious homes, small merchants. My father, however, was sent off to the yeshiva in Buhuşi to study as a young boy. By the time he had married and left, he had already become an instructor, a teacher at the Buhuşi Yeshiva and he was destined of course to be a religious servant to the community.\n\nMy mother for her part was an expert seamstress in Romania, and, as I understand the story she did tailor-made dresses for all of the Romanian nobility and rich people in the area. She was very much in demand and she all her life, made her clothes and my sister's clothes and they were always beautiful and outstanding. She was a talented lady. She learned French all by herself in Romania. I recall that in my years while growing up my mother had in her possession a Bible in French, which she enjoyed reading. This was self-education.\n\nIn Savannah and again in Terre Haute, we had an Orthodox home, modern Orthodox, even by those standards at the time. We were kosher, of course, and observant in every way. I grew up feeling this was perfectly natural with the faith in God without any question about the obligation to observe the mitzvot. I didn't wear peyote and I didn't even wear a peyot and I didn't even wear a kippah. My father didn't have a peyot but he did wear a kippah.\n\nIt went into our days in Terre Haute, where I first entered the first year of grade school. Even in Terre Haute, we were an encapsulated entity of our own in an otherwise alien, non-Jewish atmosphere and it never seems strange to me. I felt perfectly comfortable being religiously orthodox at home and, integrating with my fellow students and the high school routine, and the junior high school routine outside of the house.\n\nI had a bicycle where I ran around with my friends, among them, non-Jewish boys, good friends, but we never interacted socially. In all my growing up, in all my years of growing up, I do not recall that I ever entered a non-Jewish home at all, much less for a social event. When I had a birthday party when I was very young, or later on, I went to other people's homes for some sort of a celebration. It was only into Jewish homes with Jewish boys and girls such as there were.\n\nI never attended a party in a non-Jewish home without any sense of hostility or strangeness or discomfort. It just wasn't the way it was done. At some point, it was a cut-off world. We had our Jewish world and they had their world. There was a lot of integration in some areas but once you cross the line, it was yours. Holidays came.\n\n[background conversation]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,475.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: When the holidays came, I didn't go to school. In Terre Haute, we had Hebrew school every day after the regular grade school was finished from four o'clock till about six every day except Friday. We had Saturday morning services at the temple for the young people. We had a Sunday school where my father was also one of the teachers, learn Jewish history. We learned Hebrew. We had a Jewish society within this Hoosier Indiana, non-Jewish ocean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=475.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Did you have siblings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=516.0,518.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: I had a sister. She's passed away a few years ago, younger than me by 14 months. She shared the same experience and the same orientation. She never developed a Zionist proclivity as I did. While she was always a nice Jewish lady, she ended up more or less assimilated and less overtly Jewish, although she certainly identified as a Jewish, a bright lady. She was a psychiatric social worker in Houston where she passed away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=518.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Did you feel American?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=561.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: I feel very American. I excelled in my studies in grade school and in high school. I was valedictorian of my class in high school. In junior high school, I won the gold pin, the Sarah Scott gold pin for having the best marks and the best collateral extracurricular activities. I was not only comfortable with it, I excelled in the non-Jewish world. In high school, I was captain with the debating team. I went to the National speech tournament with my group. We were fully integrated and identified and all these activities, which had nothing to do with our particular identity as Jews or non-Jews.\n\nFor example, when we used to travel for debate tournaments to Purdue, or to Indiana University and Lafayette or other cities in, Indiana for inter-high school debates, these always took place on a Saturday morning. I recall that when we were going to debate at Purdue or Indiana University, I left school on Friday afternoon. I took a bus to the university by myself. I stayed overnight in one of the Jewish fraternity houses where there were boys from Terre Haute who hosted me. I had a bed to sleep in and the next day I walked to the debate without taking handwritten notes.\n\nI carried on the debate and, and the team and the parent who came and my sainted high school teacher, Winifred Ray, a marvelous woman. They all waited with Me Saturday until we saw three stars in the sky. Then we all got in the car and we came home and this was accepted. That was my way of life. It was not considered strange by them and it was not considered strange by me. That's the way it was. That was my particularity. I had no embarrassment or no difficulty enhuing to that and that's how I felt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=564.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Were you involved in any type of youth movements?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=700.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes. We had an adult Zionist organization in Terre Haute. I'll give you a background for a moment on that. One of the leading lady was a lady named Mrs. Teittleman. She and her husband were friends of Ben Sviv. How that came about I don't know ultimately. They made [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=706.0,730.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and they bought their house next to Ben Sviv I think in Ashkelon.\n\nAnyway, she and my father were two of the leading Zionists and a man named Sussman who also made [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=730.0,741.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] courses. His son is still living here I'm sure. With their assistance, we organized a Young Judea chapter in Terre Haute. In my junior year of high school, I guess it was it may have been my senior year I was chairman of the first Young Judea chapter in Terre Haute. I remember they gave me a gavel. We organized all such Jewish teenagers as there were. There weren't that many. We only had 200 families all in all, into a young Judea club.\n\nI recall going to the Young Judea convention, Des Moines, Iowa, the Midwestern Young Judea Convention. I even won a medal for the swimming competition, 50-meter swimming. I don't know what's happened to it, many years I had this young Judea medal for being the champion young Judea, 50-meter swimmer Midwest region. What happened to Young Judea after I went off to college, I don't know. I suspect that it petered out. This was at least my early identification with the formal organized Zionist Movement. Of course, it meant to the extent that we understood the divisions within Zionism, and we were considered general Zionists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=741.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Were you following news or events that were happening in Palestine at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=835.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: No. In Terre Haute, there wasn't much access to news. We had the local newspaper, but there was a ZEO publication, which we did receive, or rather it wasn't ZEO. I think it may have been B'nai Brith publication. We did get that in the house but it was not terribly informative. There wasn't much news to be had. There wasn't really much news generated in Palestine that would have any serious international interest.\n\nIt was more local than international. We knew about the Arab riots, for example. You heard talk about it at home but we didn't have literature and we didn't have radio and there was no television of course. It was small-town Indiana, out of the mainstream. We didn't have people who were passing through on their way from Europe into the United States to California or back. That didn't happen in Terre Haute so we didn't even get that kind of seating, that kind of stimulus as we had, for example, all the years I was in Boston, where it was constantly seething with information, new people, and ideas and organizations and so on. That didn't happen in Terre Haute.\n\nHowever, when I did go off to Harvard College for my freshman year and I'll digress later on for something interesting, which you may or may not want to include. I didn't go off to Harvard my freshman year, the first thing I did was to seek out Jewish students. Towards the end of my freshman year, I found that there was an Avukah organization in Harvard. This was a student Zionist Federation, again, under the sponsorship of the General Zionist Organization Youth Commission.\n\nThese were, for the most part, Jewish boys and girls who were from the Boston area, Roxbury, Dorchester, Brookline. They came from more sophisticated homes and more world-oriented, and they formed the Avukah organization. They were the principal members. I don't recall that we had more than one or two members outside of the Boston area except for myself because I looked for them, gravitated towards them, and joined them and became a member of Avukah and subsequently, with Millie Cates at the time, was renamed now, Millie Guberman. She was president finally of the New England region, and I was her Vice President. This is the development.\n\nOf course, it provided the entree to Zionist education. We had summer camp. We had lectures. We had senior advisors, and it began to flesh out so that when I came to write my honors thesis in my senior year in the field of government and philosophy, I chose political theory of the early Zionist Movement for my honors thesis. For that, of course, I read the basics Hertzel and Boerhaave, and [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,1053.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and others, and I related it to the nationalist movements that took place between the two wars and the Risorgimento in Italy and so on.\n\nThat was my honors thesis oriented towards the Zionist thinking. It was not a very good document. I've read it in subsequent years, it was not particularly good. I did get my honors, but much, much better stuff was written by more talented people than myself. That was my interest. That's the story of me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1053.0,1085.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Can you tell me for a minute about getting into Harvard College and applying and as somebody from Indiana?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1085.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, that was the digression I referred to a moment ago, I was going to tell you. I didn't know too much about universities or particularly about Eastern universities, and certainly not about Harvard. I had no way of being exposed to that kind of thing. We didn't know about that kind of thing. I didn't think too much about it, but I thought I will be going to a local university.\n\nAs I said, I was valedictorian on a straight A record from junior high school on and through high school. Winifred Ray, whom I mentioned before, was our debate coach, teacher in Wiley High School. She had a ferocious, protective attitude towards her people. She loved her students. She was an unmarried lady, no children, and she was protective. She was a tigress about making sure that we were on the right path and realized our potential.\n\nShe guided me into competing for the Harvard Club of Indiana scholarship to Harvard, tuition scholarship. The chairman of the Harvard Club of Indiana at that time was a man named Alex Vonnegut. He is the uncle of Kurt Vonnegut. Kurt Vonnegut comes from Indianapolis originally. This is his Uncle Alex, who's mentioned in his books from time to time. He was an insurance man in Indianapolis. There was a doctor in Terre Haute who was a graduate of the Harvard Medical School, whom Ms. Ray persuaded to write letters of recommendation for me and to go to bat for me.\n\nI was awarded the Harvard Club of Indiana scholarship to Harvard, which at that time paid tuition for the first year. I don't recall how much it was, it was something nominal. With that scholarship, I was able to get a job at the Harvard College waiting tables in the freshmen dining hall. These were jobs reserved for poor boys, scholarship students. We were granted rooms. Certain rooms were set aside for the boys who needed the scholarships.\n\nThe tuition was paid by the Harvard Club of Indiana, and I was awarded. I don't recall exactly how it came about, but I don't recall that I ever paid for my room at Harvard. For my board, I waited tables, and I was permitted to eat. Among the people who were freshmen waiters with me was one fellow student who became a professor at the Harvard Law School eventually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1093.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Do you remember his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1285.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes. I will think of it. In my sophomore year, my roommate was one Norman Mailer, The Naked and the Dead Norman Mailer who was a freshman, who was my sophomore roommate. I'm sorry, it was my junior year he was my roommate at Dunster House. In my junior year, we were roommates. At that time, Norman, during that period, he won the first prize for the National College Short Story Contest. He wrote a story called The Happiest Day of My Life. It was a very good story. When it was reviewed, he said that the reviewer found meanings in his story that he himself hadn't intended to put in, but it was there from his own intuition.\n\nThat was the beginning of Norman Mailer's literary career. Unfortunately, Norman never wrote a Jewish novel. He never as far as I know, never came to Israel and never wrote anything closer to Israel than writing his own worldview of Jesus. Beyond that, he didn't really move in my direction. Interesting fellow all the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1286.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: What did your parents as immigrants to the United States think about their son going off to Harvard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1364.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: My father, in the earlier days when I was in junior high school, always talked about sending me the Yeshiva in Chicago to study in the Yeshiva. That was a natural thing for him to think, but the avalanche of Americanism that had engulfed all of us, and the tremendous amount of identification that I had had, maybe possibly out of my success as a student persuaded him and my mother that there was much more to living and much more to me than being another yeshiva Bukhara in Chicago. I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm sure it was a difficult decision. I'm sure that Winifred Ray had something to do with their views of what should happen to me.\n\nI hadn't any firm convictions either way. I was, particularly as I recall, interested in going to Yeshiva, but I would have gone had it worked out that way. I didn't have any particular predilection. I certainly felt secure and powerful in the non-Jewish world. I have to say this to my parents' eternal credit, that they were prepared to accept the fact that I would not be going in a strictly orthodox path, but I would be going off to the alien atmosphere in Boston. They're gone. I'm not near them. The parental influence was no longer there. They had to trust me to be the right kind of person on my own at that point. They did, and they allowed me to go.\n\nAt that point, it also was extremely difficult because I had been committed to kosher all my life and here I am at the university and there was no kosher food available. I apparently didn't have the calling or the inclination to live on vegetables. I began to eat non-kosher in the dining room. I never ate anything that couldn't have been kosher. I never ate pork, or ham, or shellfish, but I did eat meat. In later years, I stopped when it became possible and I got older and considered it even more and more, I returned to kashrut and to participation in the synagogue and to Orthodoxy, which I am today. It was a long hiatus between my going off to college and my return to Orthodoxy.\n\nDuring that time, even at Harvard, I never went to class, I never wrote, I never did anything on the high holidays, and even though for a long time, I didn't even go to shul. There was a period when I really hadn't resolved all these things in my own mind. It was a long journey of self-awareness, self-seeking, but in due course, after I'd come here, I did return to observance and orthodoxy, because I thought it through. I didn't have an epiphany, I just thought it through, and concluded that it was necessary for a complete, honest life. I'm also persuaded that politically, I'm convinced that [Hebrew language] I think that as a mantra.\n\nI think that today, if I may again digress who don't understand that or don't accept that, particularly in our leadership, they've lost their way and the younger people find it perfectly natural to emigrate and look for the good life in the United States, because they've lost the sense of identity with history and with our land and with the spiritual side of Zionism, as distinct from the political side, which requires we have a refuge from holocausts, which is political and pragmatic, but it's certainly not sufficient.\n\nDuring the period we're talking about when I was in college, I was on a journey, so to speak, on a personal journey of finding myself and agonized a great deal over what my obligation was to the world, and even indeed, why should I be a Jew, or as Avraham Burg now says, \"A citizen of the world.\" I wrestled with these problems. I remember that once, going to see Gaetano Salvemini. Salvemini was a great man. He was an Italian statesman ousted by Mussolini. He wasn't Jewish. He was teaching at Harvard. That's where he'd come when he fled Italy. I took a course from him. I thought Salvemini was a fellow to discuss this subject with. I went to see Salvemini.\n\nI said, \"This is what troubles me. I am Jewish, and I don't quite know where it leads me, and why should I be Jewish and not something else, why should I be committed to that?\" He said to me, he said, \"When people ask me, are you Italian? I don't say I'm just Italian, I say I'm a wop.\" He said, \"I am what I am. I am Italian. That's my identity.\" I don't say \"I'm of Italian extraction or Italian descent,\" in other words, is I'm a wop. It was important to hear that. I never had any doubt really about being a committed Jew, I just didn't know what the content was, and what kind of baggage it carried.\n\nOf course, I was aware of antisemitism, although there wasn't a great deal of it in the United States overt, except Father Coughlin on the radio and the few people selling newspapers on the street corners. In our immediate society, there wasn't any Jew-baiting. I didn't suffer any of that in high school, but I was aware of it. I didn't like the notion that we had to walk around keeping our psychological guards up because people might say something adverse. I knew that in many people's minds they didn't like Jews but I didn't see it as an over thing but I was aware of it.\n\nOf course, I had learned of the programs in Europe and the anti-semitism that my parents experienced in Romania. I felt that in that sense the world was against us. I think that part of my motivation into becoming a Zionist part of it was a sense of having a refuge where Jews could come if they wanted to and if they had to, a place where as Rabbi Lau says about his brother I don't know if you know what Rabbi Lau said, he said that when he as a little boy came out of the concentration camps with his older brother, his older brother said to him, “You have to go to Palestine because that is a country where they don't kill Jews.”\n\nI felt something very similar to that about being vulnerable to antisemitism. As I learned more and more about Nazism, I was more and more convinced and dedicated to the notion that we had to be masters of our own fate in this area as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Did you already feel this? You started Harvard in--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1891.0,1896.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: 1939.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1896.0,1898.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: -1939. Kristallnacht.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1898.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, we started to learn about these things. As Nazism developed, then of course I was in Boston I had newspapers and much more sophistication in international affairs. Of course, I knew about Kristallnacht, I knew about the Nazis. It was very much part of my formative thinking. I believe more than that, as I have just talked about, not merely the political ramifications and the security but the spiritual journey. If we had to define ourselves, if we had to know who we are and what we are, we had to know where we've been to know where we're going.\n\nI always put it in terms of that you require two points to get a direction. On one point, you spin like a tab. You need two points. You need to know where you've been and you need to know where you are to understand where you're going. I think that's what self-identification is, seeking those two points and the line that it draws. I felt that certainly, we had to be close to our history, we had to be close to our ethic, close to the Torah.\n\nWhich would be meaningless if we didn't believe in a divine being, if you didn't believe in the authority of a God, what reason would you have for respecting the ethical aspects of Judaism? If you didn't believe in that then who are you? You're just another person if you don't have a relationship with the divine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1906.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: At this point, you're in Harvard.\n\n[background conversation]\n\n[sound cut]\n\nSpeaker 1: Why don't you tell me about your time in Harvard College undergraduate and the activities that you were involved with related to Israel or Zionism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2019.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: As an undergraduate, I followed the same pattern, the same routine as all students. Our studies were the most important thing. Of course, I didn't have any money. I was working all the time. I had all kinds of jobs to give me pocket money. My father was a small-town rabbi. He and my mother were very careful about finances. My father was helping all of his sisters in Romania. He sent them dowries, scraped the other dowries from his meager earnings so his sisters could get married, and so he didn't have any money to give me. I didn't expect anything from my parents.\n\nI had various jobs. After my freshman year when I was waiting tables since I was a scholarship student and maintained my marks, I had a job in the Widener Library. I worked at the libraries during the week, a certain number of hours behind the delivery desk. In the mornings for a period of time I deliver the Harvard Crimson, I'd get up early in the morning before everybody else, and I would go take my papers, and I'd make the rounds in all the houses, the dormitories, we called them Harvard houses, leaving the Harvard Crimson at the door, so that [laughs] when my less needy classmates awoke to have breakfast they had their Crimson waiting for them, which I did happily.\n\nSometimes I worked in the restaurant across the way washing pots and pans for meals. The summers came along, I didn't have the money to travel back to Terre Haute and back again round-trip. I needed money to live so I stayed in Harvard in a cheap room and I worked at the library full time. During the school year on Saturdays when everybody else was going off to the football game which was of no real interest to me, with their girlfriends, and there were a lot of partying and so on, I again worked at the Widener Library all day Saturday, first in the periodical room and then at night in the stacks checking out books or Guardiums where the people who were doing scholarly work came in.\n\nI worked almost around the clock. That was fine. A lot of it left me time for reading while waiting for things to happen. I had various jobs to sustain me. I did other things. I was a wrestler. I didn't know anything about wrestling until I got to Harvard. They taught me. I had some aptitude for it. I was on the freshman wrestling team. I weighed 128 pounds, 135 pounds I can't recall. I think I wrestled at 128 if I'm not mistaken. I took off weight before each meet. I wrestled for Dunster House. It was unimportant. It's one of the things that students did. Everybody did something. That's what I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2081.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Were you following activities that were going on in Palestine at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2289.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Well, yes, in a book. We were getting lectures. Sure, there was a lot of talk. A lot of information came my way of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2295.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Visitors from Palestine coming?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2302.0,2304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, we had [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2304.0,2305.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and we had also professors from various universities in the East who were interested in student Zionism and came and spoke to us. If I think a while I'll think of some of the names who came. We had senior people, really serious creditable people who took an interest in us, and that gave us further confidence and momentum and gravitas if you like that word. It was an education.\n\nSummertime we had summer Avukah camp and we got to know the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2305.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] people who were in their training. That was an influence. These were very dedicated young men and women, people the likes of which I had never met before. I had great admiration for them. They were real people. They were quite different from the fellow students at Harvard. These were people who were living by some principles, some ideal, and were sacrificing material advantages for this purpose of being a [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2348.0,2381.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] very impressive. It was real. It wasn't pretending.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2381.0,2389.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: The war broke out, United States joined--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2389.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, in my senior year, the war broke out, shocked everybody, and everything was transformed. Suddenly we were on a war footing at Harvard. We began to get all kinds of orientation and information lectures as to how to behave and what to expect. I was anxious to get into the war, I was supposed to graduate in June of '43 but I didn't want to wait, I was really afraid that the war would be over I could get into it. I tell you the truth, that's how I felt. It would be over before I could get into it.\n\nI accelerated and in the summer of '42, I went to classes round the clock, through the summer, I took courses and I accelerated so I could graduate early and I did. I graduated in January of '43 rather than in June, I just didn't have time to wait. I took my final exams in December, January and without waiting for the result and without waiting for commencement, without any further ado, I packed my bags and I enlisted in the navy.\n\nI had some difficulty because I wasn't quite tall enough, I was a few centimeters short of the required height, and the people-- I got a whole write up on the thing, at the athletic center helped me stretch, changed my posture a bit so that I could elevate my head the extra two centimeters. I was told to go get measured early in the morning when I first got up and before I engaged in any activities and people transported me down to be measured right after I got up. I finally was admitted in the officers' candidate school to be a navy officer.\n\nJust as soon as I finished my exams, I packed my bags and I had a short time to wait. If I'm not mistaken, I don't recall where I went until I could get into the navy, I don't think I went directly to New York. I think I might have gone down to my aunt's in Florida, I don't remember anymore, but it was a very short period and not memorable. Immediately I was at John Jay Hall at Columbia as a midshipman.\n\nYou started out the first month as an apprentice seaman, you wore the typical navy pants with a button on the side. Apprentice shipman for a month then became a midshipman and I studied there to become a naval officer and graduated with everybody else. I remember that when we started, we were out on the parade ground and a naval captain was speaking to us and we were all standing there listening to him. He said to us, \"Men,\" he said in effect, \"Prepare yourself, you're going to be involved here for the next five years,\" He said, \"so do your best, do your studies, prepare yourselves to be good officers because you've got five years at least.\"\n\nI thought to myself, \"What is he talking about? I haven't got five years to give him. I've got things to do. I've got to go to school. I've got to get married, got to have a family. Five years?\" To me this was appalling but there I was and I didn't believe it was going to be five years, even though he said it. Well, of course, it was a pretty good three and a half years for my service.\n\nAnyway, I did graduate with my commission as an [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2631.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] One of the people who was in midshipman school with me and also had been a freshman waiter, a lovely guy named John Blum, B-L-U-M, later became a professor of history I think at Yale. A very solid guy, John Blum, a college classmate and a classmate at the midshipman school. I don't know where John went for his service but he sent me and I requested submarines or destroyers, and they sent me to destroyers. From there, I began my service in the navy, in the US navy.\n\nAre you interested in hearing about the navy? Well, I'll make it short. I did go to Border Destroyer, we served in the Pacific, we were nine major engagements against the Japanese which meant that on my Pacific Theater Ribbon I have nine battle stars. We fired our guns in anger nine times and we were attacked by Japanese Zeros and their kamikaze pilots, we were in the war, we were in a shooting war.\n\nMy position on the ship was in charge of a 40mm gun battery on the fantail, I controlled that gun. On the other side of the fantail, the other 40mm battery was another college classmate whom I didn't know in college at all. He was a very nice guy, he was from the very old Boston families, very patrician and he was right alongside me in his gun battery. We were under attack, we shot at Japanese Betties, Japanese Zeros, I think my gun brought down one but everybody else was shooting at the same time, the sky was full of tracers and the plane went into the water before it hit our ship and we were firing at him also.\n\nAt one point a torpedo, launched by one of the Japanese torpedo planes-- We were in a screen by the way with cruisers and battleships in the center, the destroyers were in the screen. They had to get past us to get to the battleships. This Japanese plane, it launched a torpedo headed for one of the cruisers, the battle [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2631.0,2794.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and we saw it coming.\n\nActually, it was coming from our port side, from that side, the ship going that way. I could see it, I could see the wake coming towards us, there's nothing anybody can do, you just watch it and wait for the explosion. I flexed my knees thinking that I didn't want to break my legs if I could avoid it and it passed under us. The depth setting was lower than the depth of the destroyer and it went on wherever it went.\n\nLater on, I said to one of the chief mates, I said, \"Chief, did you see that wake?\" He says, \"I did, I saw it and I just lifted my left leg and let it pass under.\" Well anyway, towards the end of the war when we went into decommissioning, I was promoted, I was executive officer of the destroyer but I was a deck officer during the whole time and I had naval experience and I knew something about ships. That ultimately, when we came [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2794.0,2862.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] I was made first mate of the Hatikva and Murray Greenfield was my second mate and my good friend Hugh McDonald, about whom I will talk was a seaman. It was the naval experience that helped me and [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2862.0,2882.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\n[background conversations]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2882.0,2929.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Ready?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2929.0,2930.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Are we ready to go? [coughs] I had mentioned that the officer of the gun battery alongside me was a classmate. I recall his name now, it was Dick Harding, George Richard Harding, a really nice guy. Lived in Providence in recent years. Last I heard he was in Providence. To get to the end of the service, at the end of the war, I was determined to go to the Harvard Law School, I think I applied even before I left the ship, and I was admitted at the Harvard Law school. When I was demobilized, I went directly to Law school, I went to see my parents, my father had left Terre Haute and he was now in Minneapolis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2930.0,2988.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: What year is this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2988.0,2989.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: No, I'm sorry about that. During the war he'd gone to Minneapolis, after the war, when I was demobilized, he was already in Newport, Rhode Island. My father went to Newport, did I say this in my earlier information about my parents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2989.0,3002.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: You didn't get up to Minneapolis or Newport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3002.0,3004.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: I'll bring it in now. I'll talk about it. Start again. By the end of the war, my father had now found a position in Newport, Rhode Island where he stayed for many years as Rabbi at the Touro Synagogue, the oldest synagogue in America. Those were the happiest years I think that my father and mother ever had. It was just a very civilized, fine community and he spent those years among nice people. For my mother and father, those were golden years and they were there, I don't know, 14 years or more.\n\nHis picture is still there at the Touro Synagogue. At the end of the war, they were already there. I went to Newport for a short stay to visit with my parents before I went back to Cambridge to the Harvard Law School. I entered almost immediately with a class that was scheduled to graduate In 1948, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3004.0,3093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: What year is it? You were starting now--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3093.0,3095.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: I'm starting law school. It's now it's now '46. I entered law school. I hope I'm exactly accurate on my dates. It may have been the end of the year, beginning of next year, I entered at the Harvard law school and it was a curious feeling because for the last number of years you were doing very responsible things. You were an officer, you were under fire. You had command, you were in a chain of command, you had a captain above you, you had men below you and so on and you are a man among men.\n\nSuddenly you're in the Harvard law school. Again, you're a child sitting at the father's feet. You've got professors and you don't know anything and you really don't. It's a whole new language, a whole new field of learning and you've got the wise men at the top and you're back in a psychological subservient. Not that you couldn't accept it. Not that you were hostile to it but it was a big change in your orientation. I think we all felt it and it took some doing to be able to get into the rhythms of study but we did, it was towards the end of my first year.\n\nLet's get back to where I went. I found a room in a house, a rooming house for students. There weren't sufficient dormitories to accommodate everybody at the law school at the time. Today they've expanded enormously but I went to a house with several other students hiring rooms. One of them was a fellow named Hugh McDonald. He was originally from California, a big fellow, handsome guy, red hair, athletic. I'll say it simply he had probably the sharpest most steel-trap mind of anybody I've ever known. He was brilliant. Again, a real guy, he was a macho guy.\n\nHe and I became friends for one or the other, we really became buddies in law school. Hugh didn't have at that time a lot of patience for this bit-by-bit study, this parsing of cases and thinking things through carefully and sitting long periods of time. He had too much energy, too much feeling of doing things to accept the rigors of studying for at law. He was absent a lot of the time from classes. He was off on weekends with some girl he'd meet or something of that sort. He soon lost the momentum and he really didn't take law school first year very seriously, he never completed the first year.\n\nSubsequently, he went to the University of Chicago Law School later on and did complete some studies, whether he ever got a law degree, I don't think so but he did complete some studies at the University of Chicago Law School. He and I, as I say were buddies, and about this time we began to learn about the concentration camps, what really went on, and about the Jews trying to get out of Europe to get into Palestine and what the British were doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3095.0,3319.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Up to this point, having been in the war and you did not--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3319.0,3325.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Didn't know a whole lot of what was going on. We didn't know any of the details. We didn't know something. For example, when I was just finishing my course of study at Columbia and I was ready to go to my ship, this was in February. I can give you the exact date. There was an article that appeared in the Time Magazine about a, we can cut for a minute and I'll get it and I'll talk to you with this in hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3325.0,3364.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Remember as best as you can. We can check the specifics afterwards, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3364.0,3368.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: It was an article about a man named Ziegelbaum. Ziegelbaum had been in the Warsaw ghetto, wife and children were still there and they smuggled him out so he could come to the west to tell the Jews of the world, of America and Britain what was going on inside the Warsaw ghetto, and of the killings, which the Germans took great pains to hide.\n\nHe came to meet with the Jewish leaders. He quickly became discouraged, despondent by their lack of attention and seriousness and he went back to his room and committed suicide. That was Ziegelbaum. That had a profound impact upon me. I cut the article out of The Time Magazine right there in the room where it was lying on a table and I kept it. After the war I framed it and I always had it on my wall. I still got it on my wall in my office. I'll get it for you, this article about Ziegelbaum. I knew about Ziegelbaum but all of the details and the enormity of it hadn't yet come home.\n\nWhen we got back and we were going to law school, then everything was known. I remember I was obsessed with learning more and really beginning to understand. I know that at one point I read that there was a United Jewish appeal meeting in some temple and they were going to show films of the Warsaw ghetto before the war, before the end. I went down there that Sunday morning to see that snippet of film. I just felt that I had to get as close to it as I could. I had this obsession.\n\nWhen we learned about the Jews trying to get Palestine, and at that time IF Stone's Book, Underground to Palestine was published. He had written two Pulitzer Prize-winning articles for PM I think it was about his trip on one of the earlier Aliyah Bet ships, IF Stone. He wrote these articles that won Pulitzer Prize. They put them in a book called Underground to Palestine in which he talked about the Aliyah Bet ship he was on. We now learned that there was such a thing as Aliyah Bet and Hugh and I decided that we had to do it. We couldn't just sit in law school while this was going on. This was history being made.\n\nI felt the Jews like myself, people from Romania, where I was born. I, a Jew from Romania. These people had paid an enormous price in torture and death and loss of relatives and children torn for their mothers, all of that. I am not by any order of providence, by sheer chance. I, by sheer chance, grew up in the United States, nurtured school, a place to eat and sleep all the time secure. there was an imbalance here, a real imbalance.\n\nI had the good life and they had horror. It was an imbalance that had to be righted. It could never be righted but I had to do what I could towards righting it. I had to move towards writing it. That's how I felt. Hugh felt the injustice of the Holocaust. He felt the injustice of the Jews coming to Palestine, the right of the Jews to have a Jewish State. He and I decided to leave the law school at the end of the first year and sign up if we could. It was around the Christmas vacation. He and I went to New York, where I was looking for my earlier Avukah contacts, among them, Ralph Goldman. I was--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3368.0,3613.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Can you stop for-- Ralph Goldman was in Avukah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3613.0,3617.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold Katz: Ralph Goldman was in Avukah or one of the leaders of our Zionist movement. I'm not sure he was officially Avukah. He was older than us, but we all knew him and looked up to him and some of the other seniors. Ralph was one of the people we knew as an older guy who shared our orientation. Through my contacts, I was able to locate something called Palestine Vocational Service. When I went in there, there was a secretary and I told her what I'd come for. She said, \"Wait a minute.\" She called somebody from the backroom and a fellow named Sam Halpern came out.\n\nSam Halpern later was a member of Kfar Blum. Sam Halpern was also one of the senior guys I had known in Avukah. I had no idea that he was there. I told Sam what I wanted to do, that I wanted to join this Aliyah Bet as a sailor. He said, \"Go back to Boston and see Eddie Parsons.\" Eddie Parsons was a young lawyer. Again, one of the seniors, Eddie had been a member of what was called Fel Coop, which was a different organization where they sent-- I think it was Fel Coop, where they sent one of their groups to Palestine to come back and report, something of that sort.\n\nEddie was then a young lawyer in his father's office, and I went to see Eddie and Janet Parsons. I just called Eddie. I said, \"I saw Sam in New York and he's referred me to you. I'd like to talk to you.\" He said, \"Oh.\" He said, \"Come over to the apartment Friday night and have dinner with us.\" I did. Janet was getting the food ready, a small apartment, and Eddie and I are talking. I told him what I wanted to do, and I had my friend Hugh McDonald as well.\n\nJanet came out and Eddie said to Janet, \"Janet, Harold is going to take a trip.\" She said, \"Oh, where are you going?\" He said, \"Janet, you don't understand. He's going to take the trip.\" He said, \"What do you think?\" He says, \"Just the pool room bums volunteer with this thing? We got Harvard boys too.\" Well, Eddie made the arrangements. They vetted Hugh McDonald because he was not Jewish, and I vouched for him and then they checked him.\n\nThey told us to wait, so we didn't go back to our second year in law school, just didn't go back. In anticipation of this, I went to see one of my professors, a guy I liked. He had been a colonel in the Marines during the war. He was my property professor, real property. Again, his name escapes me, but I told him what I was going to do.\n\nHe said to me, he says, \"Jesus, Katz, don't let those Arabs get you.\" I took that as a dire warning of what would happen to me if I [laughs] got into trouble with the Arabs, but I told him what I was going to do. I thought somebody at the law school, somebody should know that I was leaving, not because I was just flying away, but I was going to do something serious.\n\nMcDonald and I didn't report, just didn't go back, but I did complete my first year, took my exams. We waited for the call and then after about a week or 10 days of waiting in Cambridge for the call to come in, I got the call one day to report to New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3617.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: This is now 1940--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3853.0,3855.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: 1947.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3855.0,3855.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: -seven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3855.0,3860.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: McDonald and I, on the appointed date, took a plane down New York. We were then met by somebody who put us together with another group of boys who were then in the airport. Apparently, it was coordinated to have us all there at one time. Among them was Murray Greenfield. That was the first time I met Murray. They put us on a plane and flew us down to-- where was the ship? My memory needs refreshing. They flew us down to our ship in Charleston, South Carolina, I think it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3860.0,3903.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: It started in Miami.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3903.0,3904.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3904.0,3904.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: Miami?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3904.0,3905.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3905.0,3905.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: Miami that it started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3905.0,3907.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: It was Miami. They flew us down, we didn't see Miami, we just saw the dockside. That's right. They flew us down to Miami where they took us dockside. There was this hulk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3907.0,3919.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: When you say they, who do you--?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3919.0,3922.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: The [foreign language] guys from New York. I don't remember who they were, I just remember that we were following directions to get on the--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3922.0,3930.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: They were not American?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3930.0,3931.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: No, they were Israelis or American Jews, but they said, \"Get on the plane.\" We got on the plane. \"Get off the plane.\" We got off the plane, perfect confidence of what we were doing. As I've said on other occasions, it was a ship that didn't inspire-- a boat that didn't inspire confidence. It was a hulk.\n\nWe went aboard and there was a captain there, a non-Jewish captain who had been hired under the false premises that this was some commercial boat. He, later on, discovered what we were and was loyal to us and was very good, but I think he came aboard, not knowing exactly what he was getting into, but he was a professional captain.\n\nThe Jews of America among them Dewey Stone of Boston, Dewey Stone. Together with Paul Shulman, who at that time was a graduate of the Naval Academy, they set up a phony corporation called FB Corporation to buy armaments for Israel, and maybe they also handled some of the funds for the boat. Later on, I found out that the FB Corporation stood for Fuck the British, pardon the expression.\n\nAnyway, we boarded this boat and right away we were assigned our jobs and the captain treated me as a proper first meet. Well, I'd been in the Navy, not in the Merchant Marine. There were many things about the Merchant Marines sailing that I didn't know. For example, I had never had to use-- although I learned about them at one time, I never had to worry about running lights and about what it signaled to oncoming ships and how you changed them to give certain messages.\n\nWhatever I had learned, I'd forgotten because, during the war, your destroyer ran dark. You never turned lights on at sea. The first thing that captain said to me was, \"Okay, Katz. Check the running lights.\" Well, if ever there was a situation where you learn on the job, on-the-job training, that was it and I managed, turned switches, looked at the lights, \"Lights in order, captain.\"\n\nWe set out for Baltimore. I should have refreshed my recollection. I haven't thought about this for a while. We had a storm all the way on the way up and we took a terrible battering. We got to Baltimore and we put into the shipyard there-- Could we cut for a minute while I think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=3931.0,4109.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: Yes. Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4109.0,4109.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4109.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: Cut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4110.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Okay.\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4110.0,4112.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4112.0,4141.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4141.0,4144.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Ready?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4144.0,4145.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4145.0,4146.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes. I'm a little more certain in my memory now. We did start in Miami and never mind Charleston. We went up to Baltimore and that's when we took a battering in the storm. We put into Baltimore where they were waiting for us. They were expecting us. In Baltimore, we were repaired to get us ready for the trip across the ocean.\n\nWe were there together with a large ship, which was a Chesapeake Bay steamer called The President Warfield. I think the name Warfield is well known as the bride of the Prince of Wales who gave up his claim to the throne for Wallace Warfield Simpson. It was that family. It was the President Warfield, which later became the Exodus. This was the Chesapeake Bay steamer that became famous for the episode with refugees.\n\nFrom Baltimore, nothing eventful happened there, we sailed to Europe. We put in to the port in Lisbon, in Portugal. It was there that the ship was prepared to receive the Ma’apilim, our Coast Guard Cutter. There was an Israeli waiting for us there. He was a little fellow about my size, very sharp-looking, very very bright. They called him Captain Diamond. They referred to him as Captain Diamond, merchant marine, supposedly captain.\n\nCaptain Diamond was really Joshua Rabinowitz. Later on, he changed his name to Joshua Baharav, from Kibbutz Ginosar. He was not only clever, he was a very enterprising, creative kind of undercover agent, how do I else to put it. He was active in Aliyah Bet in the underground, and preparing Ma’apilim coming aboard, arranging for the ships and all the hidden things that had to be done without exposure.\n\nHe was known also in various times as Pinky, a very interesting fellow. He had arranged with the ship chandlers and with the suppliers and the lumber people to overhaul what's supposed to be a ship from a shipping company that would carry supplies, goods and supplies. He gave the impression this was going to be the first among many ships to come if this worked out, if they did a good job.\n\nI remember that, when workmans started to work on our ship, he was there with a pencil. He watched the lumber and he went, he marked the edges of the lumber with his own numbers and his own markings to make sure that it wasn't stolen, that it could be accounted for. He wanted to know how many kegs and nails there were. He didn't let anything get by him. He wasn't going to allow any of our hard-earned, hard-gotten money to be frittered away by negligence. He watched everything.\n\nFor financing, he had a connection in Baltimore with a Jewish couple, and then in Lisbon he also had a connection, but it was all surreptitious. We prepared our ship which carried, as I recall, we're about 20 officers and men, as I have once said. When it was a Coast Guard Cutter, it carried a complement of 20. We prepared this ship so that it could accept and safely carry 1,500 people.\n\nWe emptied out the hold, emptied it completely, and we prepared it to absorb the maximum number of bodies. We did that by building wooden shelves from a center carter, wooden shelves extending out to the sides of the ship, three layers high. We marked off, perpendicular to the central carter. We marked off spaces perhaps no more than a meter, a meter and a quarter wide, so that when people came aboard they would crawl into these spaces. Each one had a place for himself.\n\nWhen I speak about this, sometimes I say we warehouse people, they're like loaves of bread on a baker's shelf. That's what we had to do in order to accommodate the numbers we intended to take. While we were in Lisbon, it was Passover time, Pesach. We arranged to have a Seder in Lisbon. We had a soldier on guard, our policeman, Portuguese officer, up on the bridge. Again, that was standard procedure in the port. How to have a Seder without disclosing who we were and what we were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4146.0,4516.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: What did he think you were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4516.0,4518.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Well, they just thought we were a merchant ship. We had code words. We said we're going to carry bananas to Oklahoma. Those were the code words. Absurd, but that's the way we talk. We're bringing it to carry bananas, this is what everybody said. They didn't know what we were, but we were all Jews, except for one or two non-Jews who were part of the crew. [silence]\n\nWe hung sheets in the hold covering the metal walls so that we had a sense of a room. A couple of boys aboard who were acting as cooks prepared food for us, and Pinky was able to get Pesach food from Lisbon to bring it aboard from the Jewish community. He had a young couple from Lisbon who were also bankers with whom he had a working relationship and they knew what we were. They knew.\n\nHe had them come aboard for the Pesach with us, and we had a Pesach service in the hold of the ship. We told the soldier, we gave him a bottle of wine. We told him that it was the captain's birthday party, so if he heard singing he would know we were having a merry celebration. That was his information.\n\nIt was a memorable, of course, Pesach Seder, and Pinky sang for us some of the Israeli songs that they sometimes sang maybe at a Seder on the kibbutz, maybe not, but it had a very strong Israeli orientation under his influence. That was Pesach 1947. We finished preparing it in other ways. Now, we have 1,500 people, what do you do about toilets?\n\nWe handled that by taking huge tin pipes, maybe a meter and a half in diameter. We cut them in half horizontally, so that we had troughs. We fixed those to the sides of the ship, just outside the deck, right alongside the deck. We built seats with wooden planks in triangles so that, when you sat down, you could sit down with the wide end of the triangle under your legs. Those were the toilet seats.\n\n[phone rings]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4518.0,4704.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Take the phone out of here. [silence] We set up to sea with mainly seats by setting up wooden planks, boards at angles to each other so that, when you sat down, you had the open end of the triangle under you and your backside was over the trough. Then we set hoses to run from one end of the trough to the other, so that it constantly washed the trough out over the side into the ocean.\n\nI personally supervised the building of those toilets, and then myself sanded the woods to avoid any unpleasant splinters. I made sure they were well sanded, did it myself. Then we hung sackcloth and curtains strung alongside these toilets to give some privacy from the rest of the ship. We had one side of the deck was for men and one was for women, and those were the toilet facilities for 1,500 people, and it worked.\n\nWe then took the ship, we escaped actually from Lisbon. I remember Pinky was on shore and in custody of the local police chief, who had come to arrest him. Pinky made his deal with the police chief, I subsequently learned, paid him off and Rocket, it was his name, actually came to visit Pinky in Kibbutz, Ginosar in subsequent years. Not only did he come afoul of the law, but he made an accomplice out of the law. He had that capacity. He's passed away since that. I was at Ginosar this last week, and I spoke to some of the people about him.\n\nOne of his children is still living on the Kibbutz, but they remember him very well. From Lisbon, we set sail to pick up our Ma’apilim. The first thing we did was to stop at Port-de-Bouc in France to take on supplies. We took on all kinds of things that we would need for ourMa’apilim, food. We took on diapers for the babies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4704.0,4853.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: This was all coordinated by--?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4853.0,4855.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: By the Haganah, by the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4855.0,4856.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"], by the Haganah.\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4856.0,4858.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4858.0,4877.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: What's the last thing-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4877.0,4881.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: That you put this supplies on [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4881.0,4885.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4885.0,4886.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: It's a quarter to 12, but I've got to tell you, I have a very important 2:00 appointment in the Curia that I've got to keep, 2:00.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4886.0,4892.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: I assume we're going to be done by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4892.0,4350.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I assume we'll be done within an hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=4350.0,8496.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Okay. That'll be good. I must be there at 2:00. What's the last thing that we recorded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8496.0,8506.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: You had just taken on supplies in France and you're about to [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8506.0,8510.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8510.0,8511.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Did he get that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8511.0,8512.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: I think he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8512.0,8515.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: We took on the necessary things for the women, and it was done very quickly, because we were worried that the British would get wind of who we were where we were, and they would try to stop us from leaving. Sure enough, we did escape just before the British and the authorities came to restrain the ship. We went in there and we got out very fast.\n\nThen we took the ship to the coast of Italy to pick up our Ma’apilim, where they had gathered on the Italian West Coast. This was an area dominated by the Italian communists, who at that time were very sympathetic to the efforts by the Jews to establish the state and they were very anti-British. This was also an action against the British.\n\nThe Haganah had arranged for some of the old Italian sea captains to control the port area when the Ma’apilim had to come aboard. We went in at night, two separate nights in two different ports, Porto Venere and Bogliasco. In the middle of the night, we were warned, A, not to speak English because if these Ma’apilim came aboard, and they heard English, they might panic thinking that it was a British trap or something they didn't understand. Not to speak English.\n\nSecondly, we didn't show any lights. Everything had to be done in the dark and we had to move fast. Then I remember, the Ma’apilim coming from the shore. As I've described in the past, the first night they came in inflated rubber rafts, very low silhouette, but you can see the people above the rafts filled with people. It looks like spikes sticking up in the air. People above the-- silhouetted against the moonlight on the water.\n\nIt was something that you would not believe if you saw in the movie, you'll say it was contrived. They came to the side of the ship. We had the Jacobs ladder, rope ladders over the side. These people, men, women, children, different ages were not only obliged to climb up this difficult ladder to get aboard the ship, but it had to be done in a hurry.\n\nAs one of the Ma’apilim told me just a week ago when we had a small reunion, they felt they had to make it because if they fell off the ladder into the water, that would be the end of them. Nobody was there to help them. They climb over the ladder and one of Ma’apilim told me just last week, she remembers that, when she reached the top of the ladder and she was looking out over the rail of the ship, one of the American sailors was looking at her and said, \" [foreign language], \" he said in Yiddish.\n\nShe told me this happened, [foreign language], I'm sure that's the way our boys tried to do it with whatever Yiddish they had to encourage him to come aboard. When they came on board, we had it organized, so they will go immediately down the corridor into the hold, and climb in to these shelves and stay there out of the way.\n\nThere was at one point, two sisters came aboard. Most of the time these were individuals, without relatives, individuals, but two sisters came aboard. As I later saw, they had matching numbers on their arms from the concentration camp, saw that later on. They got separated in the crowd in this movement and the one near me started to panic because her sister wasn't there.\n\nI managed to calm that down, but the sense that she would lose her sister was so immediate. I've told the story before, that I was down below when an elderly gentleman came down the corridor and I was urging him, urging people to move. He stopped me and he said to me in Yiddish, he said, \"Wait a minute,\" he said, \"I was once Bala boss in my own house.\"\n\nWell, it struck me right in the heart, and I could imagine, my father, who was a dignified man with his own family and bought his own house, to be in this situation totally devoid of any status, and being pushed and ordered and shoved. There, but for the grace of God, goes my father or goes me. Of course, he went on about what he was supposed to do. This is one among the many emotional shocks that we all had, watching all this dissipating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8515.0,8848.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Were you prepared for it at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8848.0,8850.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Well, yes, we were. We knew we wouldn't have been there if we hadn't empathized deeply. We knew, but still when you see human beings who have individual characteristics, they're not just concepts, they're real people. There are the numbers and they all have such stories to tell. They're Jews like me. We're fellow Jews, and what they've been through. It was a profound experience. It was a transformative experience.\n\nAnyway, once we got our people aboard the second night, we repeated the procedure. They came in this time in small boats, as I recall. We were loaded and on our way. Now, we're headed for Palestine. In an effort to make it appear that we were not a refugee ship, that we were only a cargo ship, we had put empty boxes and bales on the deck, in the last ship to the deck to look like we're carrying cargo. I don't remember how many days we were traveling before we finally had our final act.\n\nOn route, it was necessary to feed people to give them what little rations of water were available. The people were organized into groups when they came aboard. There was enclave of [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8850.0,8946.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] of religious Jews of Habonim of Dror Habonim. There were others who weren't politically designated but had coalesced into groups into partisans. There was that kind of a infrastructure so that each one had a representative that you could deal with.\n\nThe only running water available was in a little washbasin in my cabin. It was one cabin, near the bridge, which I occupied as first mate. MacDonald and I shared it. It was double bunk. He had one. I had the other, one over the other and it was my privilege. I had the mothers with babies, well, it's about a half a dozen babies. I had them come one at a time into the cabin, and they would bathe the little babies in this shallow washbasin.\n\nWe generated water in our boilers, but not enough to give people showers or give them washing water, we had only drinking water. I remember that. I love the kids. Up on the deck, when we were standing watch, I had a kindergarten. Little kids would come up and they'd play around on the deck. I brought with me packages of chewing gum. I had them with me, and I remember giving chewing gum to some of the kids.\n\nI remember particularly one little fellow, he must have been no more than six or seven, but he looked and he had the knowing look of a wise man, of a sweet wise guy. He had never had a childhood, never had play time. He had lived with the partisans, and the people to whom he belonged, the partisan group to whom he belonged, said that they had to feed him urine, because he needed water, when he to drink, he was thirsty.\n\nFor a little boy, he was so mature, so smart, but he was a boy at the same time. I remember he used to love the chewing gum, he called it chi gummy, and he loved chi gummy. They were kids nonetheless, and they tried to make do with playing on the bridge. We had a good time, a little kindergarten up there.\n\nAfter a couple of days, we were overflown by a big British plane. It looked like a B-29, but I can't be specific. It flew over us, came back and flew over us again. At that point, we realized they had spotted us, they knew who we were, and they knew we were on our way to Palestine. All this time, the people were in their shelves down below. We had people coming up in groups at a time to get fresh air on deck, and to get some sunshine and the bathroom, but most of the time, people had remained down below because you couldn't get those people on the small top side at any one time.\n\nWhen the ship was spotted, as I described, we threw overboard all that false cargo, and we prepared the ship for resistance. At that point, we could let more people come out on deck, and people did come out. Started to fill the deck with people we no longer could hide. We have photographs showing the people on deck. Some were seasick, some were faint, some felt good, some were fraternizing.\n\nOne couple on our ship met on the ship, and subsequently married, they're husband and wife. The girl's name was [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8946.0,9177.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and they're still romancing to this day. They were part of the Ma’apilim who came to the mini reunion about a week or 10 days ago at Murray's house, and he may lead you to them, [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9177.0,9190.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and her husband. I can't remember his name, but two personable people, and they are very interesting. They are very valuable, they have a good story to tell. I think they would be excellent people.\n\nShortly after that, the British ships appeared on our horizon, and very soon, we were surrounded by the cruiser Ajax, and a couple of destroyers. We still kept our direction to the shores of Palestine, and we intended to resist. At one point, a destroyer came alongside and he said, \"We know who you are. You are overloaded, you are in danger of capsizing, it's a danger to your passengers. We ask you to surrender your ship to us, and we will take you to Cyprus. I want to speak to your captain.\"\n\nWhereupon, we took a young fellow, 10 years old, we put a captain's hat on him, we had one, we put him there with a megaphone or a bullhorn, I don't remember, and he said, \"I am the captain.\" At that point, they knew that we were not interested in their negotiations. They pulled away. Then the destroyer came directly towards us. When he got close, he turned sharply away to create backwash waves, and deliberately, the ship started to rock one side then the other side.\n\nThe people on deck got very frightened. They started to run from one side to the other side. We told them, \"Sit down right where you are. Sit down immediately,\" and they did, and the ship righted itself. The waves were not a problem to the ship. Everybody rushing to one side could have been a problem. The ship righted itself, but unbelievably, in those minutes, that half hour, or while this was going on, down below, a lady who was pregnant delivered a boy, a child.\n\nHis name given to him was Daniel Balfour Freedman. There were nurses among the refugees who helped with the delivery, and they're available here. Those people are available. Murray all know who they are. They're available today to talk to them. We had a grand reunion some years ago. When was it? In 1988, 1987. We had a reunion and many, many more people showed up, including the nurses who remembered giving birth to the boy.\n\nNow, we tried to find this young fellow. We found the boy who was the captain, we found him, but I tracked the other people down and it turned out they've been on at Kibbutz, people remembered them. They'd been [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9190.0,9383.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and then they left the country, and that was a big disappointment.\n\nThese people came on Aliyah Bet, on our ship, they wouldn't remain behind, they gave birth, and then they left. This happens. We are what we are. We aren't all heroes and we aren't all for [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9383.0,9401.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] Zionist. We have all kinds of reasons for doing what we do. When we went on about our business, then it became clear that we were going to try to make it all the way to Palestine.\n\nAs we approached the shores, they prepared to board us, as is their fashion. We took all the axes and all the implements that could really provoke killing, and we threw them overboard. We didn't want anybody getting involved with knives or guns or axes with these British marines. We did hook up our fire hoses and our purpose was to use the hoses to ward them off before they could board.\n\nI had an asbestos glove and there were some others around, so that, when a smoke bomb was thrown on deck, or tear gas bomb, I could pick it up, or other people with gloves could pick it up and throw it overboard. We had planned to disconnect the wheelhouse and run the ship straight ahead from the controls down in the engine room.\n\nWe had cans of goods that we were no longer going to eat, and the people took those as missiles and parcel them out to throw at the sailors. This was the only weapons we had and only weapons we would allow to be used. They did board us. By pulling alongside, the sailors, these marines with helmets, with shields and with long clubs, with lead weights at the end, stood on their rail waiting to jump on to our ship.\n\nBefore that happened, I've got to tell you, we had these davits that ran out alongside the ship for loading and unloading cargo. They'd been pulled up and tied in place when you're underway, so they wouldn't be hanging out over the side. We had taken out the worm gear so that there was nothing to hold them upright except a rope. When the British started to make their run alongside, we cut the rope and the four davits, two on each side, fell out.\n\nThe first destroyer that came alongside ran to these projections and broke them off and also did damage to the destroyer, and I don't know what the damage it did to people, but it caused them to veer away, and we went even farther. We didn't know how long we could keep going before we were boarded.\n\nFinally, they did board us, jumping aboard and there was a hand to hand fighting. They had tommy guns. They had machine guns, which they didn't use, but sufficiently, you point it at somebody and it's intimidating. They rushed for the wheelhouse, they took control of the wheelhouse and they didn't succeed in cutting the cables, so that you still control the ship from the wheelhouse.\n\nThe boiler room barricaded itself so they could keep the boilers going as if they were heading for sea. Finally, the British either with tear gas or other ways to control the boiler room. There was a fight, there was hand-to-hand fighting. I didn't get involved in any fight. Somehow, the fight didn't come to me, but McDonald had been fighting. I could see him at the other end of the ship towards the stern.\n\nAt this point, there were Tommies standing there and he's a big guy. He's the kind of guy who would attract attention as a fighter. There was a Tommy standing there with a machine gun. McDonald said that the fight stopped when he pointed the gun at his belly. McDonald and I had a kind of a joke. There was a rule in early British law, land law, called the Rule in Shelley's Case.\n\nI don't know if they still teach it in law school and that was part of our training in real property. The Rule in Shelley's Case was kind of a complicated thing and it was difficult to understand. It became kind of a joke between us and said, “Hey, McDonald what's the Rule in Shelley's Case?” He asked me or I asked him, at the oddest time. We'd be in some bar in Lisbon, and he turned to me as if to point out how far removed we were from [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9401.0,9665.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] what’s the Rule in Shelley's Case?\n\nWe had a pamphlet with us on some point of evidence law that we happen to have with us, and it survived till we got to the camp in Cyprus. There's a picture of us in the camp looking at this thing, bear to the waist, which was published in the Harvard Law School paper when we got back. Anyway, I see McDonald standing there. He looks at me over here, and he is mouthing, “What's the Rule in Shelley's Case?” In the middle of all this chaotic business.\n\nThen the destroyers then took our ship in tow, to tow us into Haifa harbor. I planned to escape. I paired myself down to a pair of shorts, no shirt, no shoes, no socks. In my pocket of the shorts, I put in a Gillette blade and wax paper and about several yards of dental floss, which I thought I might use as rope if I needed it or tie something up or somebody.\n\nThe blade would be a knife if I needed it. I went back onto the fantail, it was getting dark by this time and I dropped into the water through the open shack where you would put a hoister. The people, the Ma’apilim, standing on the fantail knew what I was doing. I went into the water to swim to the wreck of Haim Arlosoroff which was not too far away, beached there. My purpose was to climb aboard the Haim Arlosoroff as best I could if I could and stay there for the night.\n\nIn the morning, make my way to shore where I could find-- I would go to any Jewish house and tell them who I was and I figured it was okay. The people on the fantail then threw life jackets into the water thinking that I might need some buoyancy, but I didn't. I swam underwater. I remember that the British were using their searchlights from the ship. I could see above the surface the light passing over me on the surface of the water and I swam as best I could away from the ship and I came up for air. I started to swim towards shore.\n\nThe water was very, very cold, colder than I anticipated. It was dark and it was beginning to be very difficult to find out what the direction was for the shore. I think I knew where I was headed, but didn't take more than three, four, five, six, seven minutes when a motor whaleboat came through the water with British sailors in it and a young officer with a gun.\n\nThey saw me, they came alongside and pulled me into the whaleboat where this young ensign, I remember him as a pimply-faced ensign, sat there with his pistol pointed at me. I'm wet, bedraggled and naked, and sailors in the boat, and he's got a pistol pointed at me because he thought it was necessary.\n\nThey took me ashore and I'm standing there dripping. An officer comes up and he says to me, \"Do you speak English?\" I wouldn't answer him, I wouldn't admit that I spoke English, I wouldn’t admit who I was. I just looked at him. He says to the soldiers, “Take him away.” A couple of soldiers, big guys on either side of me motioned me to walk. I walked with them.\n\nBehind my back, this clever officer thought he would trick me and said, “Look out where you're walking,” or something of that sort, and I didn't flinch. I didn't react at all, just proceeded on my way. Then he said, “Don't beat him with the sticks.” I figured I'm in for it, but I was not to talk English, even if they beat me but they didn't beat me. They took me to a gangway.\n\nThere was a ship waiting there and they motioned me to go aboard, and then led me down to the hold of this particular ship. The lights were on and there were benches and so on. Bars on little windows, and I thought, “What the hell is this now? What am I doing here?” I suspected that either they would try to trick me or that the CID would come.\n\nI wasn't sure exactly where I was or why I was there. Then some people started to come in, looked like Ma’apilim, but I said to myself, “These are plants. These are sitting in here to see if I can open up and say something.” I was in this aura of clandestine-- It turns out nothing of the sort. The people coming in were the people from my ship, who in the meanwhile had been brought to the dock, taken off the ship, and put into the hold of this ship which turned out to be one of the British prison ships that would take us to Cyprus.\n\nHere they come, there is nothing dramatic about it at all. They were my people. A Romain woman with two young boys recognized me. She knew who I was. I sort of knew her, I'd seen her, and she had with her some shorts and a shirt for the kids. I figured that I should put on some clothes so as not to be identified as the guy who was in the water, if possible.\n\nI did put on a shirt and a pair of pants. Nobody came to look for me. Nobody thought I was worth interrogating. We set sail for Cyprus, it was as simple as that, with all Ma’apilim. We arrived in Cyprus the next morning. They put us on buses and they took us to the gates of a camp, barbed wire, gates. I'm not even sure if it wasn't late that night. It might have been late that night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9665.0,10057.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Let's stop for a second we're going to switch tapes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10057.0,10060.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, I’ll go to the bathroom anyway.\n\n[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10060.0,10062.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\n[background conversations]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10062.0,10073.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10073.0,10074.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] to the camera. I was curious, I wonder did you decide together what you were going to do? Did you have a plan of what was going to happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10074.0,10080.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Maybe I'll start with that and then we'll continue with the ship to Cyprus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10080.0,10083.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Once I'm in Cyprus, you’ll ask me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10083.0,10088.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: Try to keep looking toward it, okay not to the side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10088.0,10091.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female: Oh yes, I’m sorry. I keep--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10091.0,10092.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: We are all listening, but you talk only with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10092.0,10094.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: I think, psychologically, I tend to look away because of the light, but I'll be careful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10094.0,10099.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: I will help you with the light a bit more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10099.0,10107.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: You don't want to put it over on the side and get it more of a--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10107.0,10112.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: You see the light, it's going to the--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10112.0,10115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, that's better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10115.0,10116.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male: Okay, whenever you’re ready.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10116.0,10119.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: As I'm not certain whether it was late at night or in the very early hours of the morning when we arrived. At the gate, as I was going through, there were benches set up with clerks behind them recording people as they came in. The first thing that happened was that the clerk spoke Yiddish. Again, now it appears to me a little bit foolish, but under the atmosphere at that time, I wasn't even sure that I could trust that guy.\n\nHe said to me in Yiddish, he said, \" [foreign language]\" [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10119.0,10158.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] for the Amerikaner. I wasn't going to admit it, and I said, \" [foreigh language]. \" I said in Yiddish. I wouldn't admit that I would speak English and wouldn't admit at anything. He asks for my name. Well, there was a good-looking girl ahead of me who was registered and whatever her name was, I don't recall, well, I said that's my name. I gave him that name.\n\nI figured maybe we would end up in the same tent. Anyway, I never saw her again. I did carry her name in Cyprus. There were people on the other side, maybe Israelis but maybe fellows from earlier shifts. I don't remember but somebody that was looking for us and we knew would help us and gather the American guys and took us off to a place where we would pitch our own tent. We did, we had our own Enclave right there. Among all the other tents those not believe Murray says we are the Americans, were in the Moppy Lee knew who we were, we had an affectionate special status of course with these people.\n\nWe were a curiosity but they liked us. We were interesting, we were different, we were a curiosity and we were with them. It was a good feeling, good atmosphere. We didn't have any clothes and I remember that the ladies in Cyprus used to take way flaps from the tent and take the canvas apart and make clothes from the various layers that made up the-- There was even a shoemaker on Cyprus at least one. He was able to make sandals for people. Where he got the materials, I don't know.\n\nTo this day I don't remember how we ate. I don't remember what-- I just don't remember. Neither here nor in Atlit later on, I don't remember where the food came from. I don't remember-- I have no vision of eating anything. Very curious, it was the least important part of my life surely and maybe that's why I don't know why. I do not remember eating any place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10158.0,10299.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: What happened to Hugh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10299.0,10301.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Hugh remain behind with the people. I had given Hugh a package of lifesavers. Somehow that I know. We taken the rations out of the lifeboats before we jettison them, we taken the rations out and I had from the rations a tropical Hershey bar especially made for the troops. American troops they were to withstand the heat, thesr tropical Hershey bars remember them. Hershey bar has been made specially to withstand the heat, lifesavers--\n\nWhat else there was, I don't know. When I gave him to Hugh I said, \"Keep these for me.\" Before I went overboard. I'm trying to think how we salvaged those things from the ship. He kept them, he kept them in the kit bag. When when I went into Cyprus I went in into the summer camp, and his group went into the winter camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10301.0,10380.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: What do you mean by summer camp?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10380.0,10381.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: There were two camps. In Cyprus there were two separate camps for the refugees, and they were separated. With no intercourse in between the two camps, they're two separate places. One was called a winter camp one's called a summer camp, but some went there, some here. He went to the other place. He didn't know whether I drowned or not, he didn't know if I survived, he didn't know that. They were starving, they were making soup out of potato peels. They weren't--\n\nI don't remember food. I didn't eat. I know I was thin as a rail, I'll show you pictures of me when I came out, but everybody was hungry. At one point we were told that some of the sailors, some of the Americans from the other camp would be coming over here. How it was arranged? I don't know. Sure enough, here came Hugh and he saw me and we embraced. In spite of the fact that he had been starving, he produced from his little kit bag my chocolate bars and my lifesavers, he didn't eat them. I spent a good part of my time on Cyprus teaching English to the Mapulin. I had English classes, they want to know about life of Jews in America, I did my best to tell them about in Yiddish which was broken.\n\nI attended a wedding on Cyprus, there was even a wedding. The wedding feast consisted of half of an orange which was unheard of in Cyprus, but they had proper religious wedding, and they had as entertainment a Eastern European performer that we don't know about in America. I think if the word is correct, it was called a Bodnar. Anyway, this is a fellow who could sing songs, making up the word as he went along to a tune about the people there and about the bride and groom and this and that.\n\nHe improvised words cleverly. He could improvise words to the song as he sang, it was amazing. The guy was terrific. He was a genius and that was also a performer at this particular wedding. Inside of Cyprus, Hugh and I set up a training camp in another tent, in another area. We were taught something called KAPAP, which is short stick fighting because in British Palestine you couldn't carry arms, but you could carry a stick and there's a whole technique to that stick fighting.\n\nWe were taught Judo. One of the KAPAP sessions where we were standing around a circle doing KAPAP. One of the the trials is somebody would walk around with this stick, turn on somebody and come down with a stick. He was supposed to be prepared to block it, and everybody by reflex action blocked it. [laughs] Hugh [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10381.0,10568.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] went for Murray and Murray did block it, and he got himself a gash on his head which was stitched up and after a day or two or three Murray came back join the group. Again we're going around. Again KAPAP, Murray got banged a second time, he just didn't react. I remember Murray getting hit with the sticks twice in a row.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10568.0,10599.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Now how long were you on Cyprus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10599.0,10602.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: I was on Cyprus for two and a half months, two and a half months. I remember that there was a group from Holland, a Dutch boy and a couple of Dutch girls who hadn't survived as a group. They were also on Cyprus and they became friendly.They were literate people and young people my age, and we got to know each other. Then the time came when the Haganah decided they were going to dig a tunnel out of Cyprus. They wanted to get an access tunnel to get out and get in.\n\nMacDonald and I and Murray and maybe Al Feinberg I'm not sure, and the Dutch boy and another Israeli guy-- Not the Dutch boy, the Israeli-- I said Israeli, I don't mean Israeli. Another refugee who later became Israeli joined the group selected by the Haganah. We began to do the tunnel. What did we do? We had a tent that was assigned to us, pitched right on the perimeter of the camp, alongside the barbed wire maybe 50 metres, 100 metres away there were a grove of trees and you started to have a little bit of a forest.\n\nThe plan was to dig a tunnel from inside the tent, go down and then tunnel our way out to the grove of trees, which we started to do. We started-- We had pickaxes-- I don't know where they came from. We started to dig this big hole in the middle of the tent. Well, right away you have a question, \"What are you going to do with all the sand? You're digging a big, big hole then you're going down 10 feet, then you're going to go forward? What do you do with the sand?\"\n\nThe first time we took the sand and we spread it around on the floor of the tent, around all the other open spaces. When we go into the tunnel, went into work, just in shorts you perspired because there's no air down there. You could stay only a short while before the air was foul, you had to come out but you were perspiring and come out with a couple of sand. Well, you can't go outside covered with sand. What happens? Water was brought into the camp by water trucks every day, and it was rationed.\n\nThe Haganah guys arranged for a big water tank to be put outside our tent. Then somebody would bring in buckets of water, big buckets, from this big tank which was refilled every day, bring it inside the tent and we'd wash up with that but we washed off with that over the sand. We spread it around so it could become impacted. Well, after a while it got to be quite a lot, so we started to go out in the middle of the night with gunny sacks full of sand- to dump it where it couldn't be found. Where did we dump it? We dumped it down the latrines. They had these latrines which were just holes and a board and then lying on top of the refuse. McDonalds says-- remembering, he used to describe how we'd go out in the middle of the night, and we'd take these gunny sacks, we'd dump them down the hole into the toilets, and then the stench there would become wafted out of there back at us. He remembered that. This way, we disposed the sand into the toilets.\n\nWe had gone forward about maybe 15 meters or so when the time had come to take us out of Cyprus and send us to Palestine. We didn't finish it, but the tunnel was finished, and it was used. There was a program on TV here [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10602.0,10854.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] where they brought me back to the TV station together with other people who were familiar with the tunnel to describe how we began it and what we did. Other people described how people came in and out through this tunnel.\n\nRuth Gruber, who mentioned Cyprus in one of her books, wrote an article or her book that it was found after we vacated, after the camp was vacated, the British found the tunnel, but it was after the fact. That was one episode, so we were building this tunnel. Now, I mentioned this because the Dutch boy's name was Louis van Beatz. In Boston one day after I was married, a young married man practicing the law, I get a call, it's Louis van Beatz, the Dutch boy I knew on Cyprus.\n\nHe was there with his wife, Lola. How he came to come to Boston, I don't know, but he was a lovely guy. We became quite friendly during the time that he was in Boston and I was in Boston. He was the guy whom I knew on Cyprus. Later on, I received a phone call out of the blue, that says, \"Katzler,\" which was a nickname for me, my name is Katz so sometimes I was referred to as Katzler both on the ship and in Cyprus. \"Katzler, [foreign language] do you remember how to dig?\" \"Who is it?\"\n\nIt was one of the two [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10854.0,10944.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] that had been co-opted to help us in the digging of the tunnel, a guy named Roth. He's here in Israel, we're in touch. A guy named Roth, good guy [foreign language]. He remembered me, and he found me, and we had a reunion here, that was the tunnel.\n\nThe time came however to transport us to Palestine. They wanted to get the Americans out of Cyprus, and the British were allowing only a certain number each month, there was a quota that they allowed. We were put on the list with whatever names would allow us to get past the British checkpoint.\n\nAt that point, The Exodus had already been taken by the British and taken back to Hamburg, and Haganah decided to react with some action. It was decided to blow up one of the British prison ships that carried Jews to and from Cyprus. These ships were like cargo ships, there was a series of them. There was the Empire Rival, the Empire Lifeguard, and one or two others. They were built with cages over the decks to contain the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=10944.0,11022.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] when they came aboard. You couldn't get out of the cage, you couldn't get over the side, but you could get down to the hold cages.\n\nIt was the plan to blow up one of these ships. Gelignite and the necessary detonators had to be smuggled into Cyprus, into the camp to be prepared, so that the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11022.0,11046.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] or we, could carry them aboard the British prison ship when we went aboard, in order to get them into the camp so we could utilize them. One of Haganah's guys picked McDonald, and the two of them cut the barbed wire at night, crawled out to some rendezvous where the Haganah on the outside in Cyprus had brought the gelignite, and the detonators, and all the stuff we needed.\n\nThey put them in inner tubes so that McDonald and the other fellow could hang them around their necks and over their backs, and then crawl back into the camp. Coming back with this stuff-- McDonald was the guy they chose. Coming back, the British sentry spotted them as they were coming back in and started to fire at them, but they got inside and disappeared inside the camp. The British declared a curfew and started to search what the hell was going on.\n\nWhereupon that, one of the Haganah guys wrote a note to the British and said, \"A couple of our guys decided to go into town and have some fun. They shouldn't have done it.\" They included some Cypriot money in the note to show that the guys had been there, as if this was an explanation of why these guys had been on the outside. As I recall, nothing more came of the British investigation, but the material was now inside the camp.\n\nIn one section of the camp, there was a Haganah enclave. We prepared the gelignite for our use aboard the ship we were going to blow up. Again, only a few of us, not all the Americans there, but they selected McDonald, they selected me, and Murray, we were those who were together with the Israeli guy preparing the gelignite. What we did was, we mixed it with glycerine or some other material to make it pliable, it was like pooty. We took tubes of shaving cream, opened the far end and took out the shaving cream, filled it with gelignite, closed it up to the end.\n\nI recall the tube was something like Sunrise Shaving Cream from Canada, as I recall, but we left enough shaving cream at the top end so that if you squeezed it, some shaving cream would come out. We took bars of soap and we cut holes in the bars and tried to hollow them out. Filled them with gelignite and then put the plug back in. When we finished that, the plug was too obvious, so we discarded that, but we did keep the shaving cream.\n\nThen we took thin plastic sacks and we fill them with gelignite, flat, and those were to be affixed to the bellies of women with elastic straps over their bellies, and they would go aboard as if they were pregnant. When the time came to be taken from the camp to the dock in Famagusta to go aboard the British prison ship, you came to the dock, and then lighters, small boats would take you out to the ship. The night before, the word came down that now there were some British police ladies who were there, and they were going to do searches of the women going aboard.\n\nIt became clear that the women could not carry this, and that different arrangements be made. We decided that we would carry it on our backs. This is dangerous. What we did was, these were flat packs, we put them on our backs with some stretchy material to hold them, and put our shirts over and bloused our shirts so that we would hide the fact they were there. I remember McDonald and I talking about it and I'm saying, \"McDonald, when they come and search guys, that they put one hand in the back and one hand in the front, you turn yourself so that the hand that reaches to the back doesn't go all the way back, but goes all the way down to your side when you turn.\"\n\nLiterally, that's what happened when we went to British control. They reached out to search us, exactly that. One hand tried to pat your back and pat somebody, so if you turned, if you're looking at somebody, or saying something, you presented the side of your back rather than the flat of your back. It's like a deck of cards thrown up in the air, and all the 52 cards come down face up red, it just broke our way. Why they didn't discover it? I don't know, they didn't discover it on our backs and we got through.\n\nWhat were we going to do? We each had razor blades that if up and down the line and on the way the British should discover anything, that we were to cut these elastic bands, and drop the gelignite by the road, get rid of them. We're in these trucks in the convoy then it stops. People are running back and forth, alongside, activity, we don't know what it is. I said, \"Is there some reason? Are they searching us?\" Then it would go on some more and then again stop.\n\nWe thought if we cut it, after all this going on, if we cut the elastic and we get rid of it, and we get to the ship and find that it was nothing, and much of the effort will be aborted, I'll commit suicide. We just took our chances right down to the end, and just did not cut the plastic. We get to the dockside okay, all is well. We're standing there all gathered and there's a CID officer talking to a British colonel who's in charge of the debarking. He's saying, \"Colonel, there's something wrong here. I want all these people searched. I want them searched again.\" I'm standing there listening to this guy and this wonderful British colonel looked at me like a colonel Blimp. He had his mustache, he had a swagger stick and he turned the CID civilian and he hit him on and just says, \"Tut, tut, my man. Tut tu.\" Did not agree to a search. We weren't searched.\n\nJudith Lowenstein was an Israeli girl who was a nurse, redheaded girl who had been a nurse there for the Jews in Cyprus. She came alongside with some fellow who I think was with a disability of some kind. She had her bag and in her bag she had two packages of gelignite in the bottom wrapped in oil paper and on top she had fruit. We get to the dock side and she's very nervous and she said to me, \"For God's sakes, take these things away from me.\" I put them into my other bag of some kind. I put them in my bag, there was no search anymore but I covered them and I had a couple of more gelignite things in my back and then some my bag, I think McDonald or somebody else also bit some of it from Judith, marvelous girl and we get into our lighters.\n\nI'm in the first group to go, McDonald is still behind me someplace because they kept separating us. We get to the ship. I go aboard, they tell us to leave our bags here and to go over here and I kept this kit bag with me though I wouldn't give it there. I go into this side and they lock the gate. I'm inside of a cage and on the other side is the rest of the cage and that's locked and there's only the entrance as you come up with the British saying some to this side, some to that side. I didn't know that we would be joined again and it was necessary to get McDonald and his stuff over to my side so we could all have the gelignite in one place.\n\nI got a good-looking girl over there. I said, \"Look, when McDonald comes aboard, you start calling my man, my man yelling for him and they'll have to probably will let him into coming to you.\" Sure enough when McDonald comes aboard and the British soldier is looking at him and she sets up this human cry. McDonald looks over here. He sees this girl crying my man, my man and I'm standing alongside of her with this smile and he gets this grin on his face and they send him in. He goes in until he comes into the cage and the first thing he does is grab this girl and give her a great big kiss.\n\nHe didn't never want to miss an opportunity. Well, later on, it developed that there was communication between the two sides but we didn't know it at the time. On route that night, the Israeli guy who was in charge of this part of the operation of the tunnel and now was coming aboard ship with us was a guy named [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11046.0,11605.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. His Israel name was [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11605.0,11607.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]. He lives here and he was the guy who was the leader of this bomb squad. At one point we were down below and we had a hacksaw. McDonald and I mostly he sawed through this lock, took off the lock, and opened the door to the hold and there's a light down there.\n\nHe shuts it and he gives a knife to McDonald and he says, \"McDonald said, we'll go down there. If there's a British sailor there, you will kill him. As simple as that. No, you'll kill him.\" McDonald later years tells me. He says to me simply, \"You will kill him. You will kill him.\" As matter of fact, McDonald, a brave guy, he and Morrish went down into the hold. No sailors, somebody just left the light on. They went down there and they planted the gelignite against the skin of the ship. They were pencil detonators. [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11607.0,11676.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] mercury caps to be detonated by once you set them by chemical action.\n\nFor a certain amount of time after you set them, you insert that into the gelignite into this [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11676.0,11688.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and you go away and it sticks to the side of the ship. When it blows up, it blows up the gelignite and everything. The detonators got aboard the ship in another way. Sunny Weintraub, a very well-known artist Oliver Shawn. Sunny Weintraub was our radio operator on our ship. He was one of us in Cyprus. They put these detonators into a condom and they put them in into Sunny's rectum. He gave him aboard carrying an explosive detonator or two in a condom up his rectum hoping would give him a kick in the pants.\n\nThat's how we got the detonators aboard. Sunny Weintraub brought him. I have a painted picture of Sunny's back here on this wall. You see the little Arab girl sitting there in the blue smock. That's one of Sunny's pictures. He believes a well-known artist and a good one. When the hatch was put down again, the people in the hole who saw what we were doing started to sing out of joy our sheer release of tension spontaneously. One group down there invited me to join them in Israel. Come join us and be part of our keyboards. I never had a compliment more important than that to be asked by these people who just knew me a short while to come and be part of them.\n\nThis is what I'm trying to do is to be part of them. Then we had to wait till the next few hours when we would dock in Haif in due course that would explode was it was timed that way. As we approach Haifa harbor in the early hours of the morning, we're standing there, Morrish and a couple several of us are standing there looking out of the cage. It's important that we get to Haifa so the cage is unlocked and we get out of there not to be trapped like rats in a cage if the ship went down. We didn't know how big an impact it would have whether it would blow apart. We didn't know what the consequences would be to the ship. If it will sink right away, you didn't know.\n\nThese were all uninformed efforts. Suddenly before we get to the dock, still in the harbor, they drop anchor. Why are they dropping anchor? There's this British officer in a white starched shorts white shirt standing out on the other side of the cage looking out at the Haifa harbor and he's stretching himself. He's just gotten up and we're thinking you son of a bitch, give us a little bit more time and you'll get your feet wet. Morrishis standing there looking the time is ticking away. He had to make a decision. He could abort this thing by telling the British that's down there, \"Go stop it or go down and stop it.\" He could abort it in one way or another but he's standing there with a poker face.\n\nHe doesn't show any sign of tension. He's standing there watching and the legend has it, I don't know if it really happened this way but the legend that's told is that they said to him, \"Morrish you got to defuse it.\" Morrish is supposed to have said, \"Well, they taught me how to make it. They didn't tell me how to stop it.\" That may be the stuff of a legend but I don't know. It's a good one and I think we should treat it as the truth because we need our heroes and we need our legends. Well, before long, they hoisted the anchor again and off we into the harbor and they opened the gates, opened the cages and the people started filling out and we followed them.\n\nWe're all on the dock and all of a sudden there's an explosion. The thing did go off below water and smoke came up out of the water. Unlike submarines hitting a ship in the movies and the ship breaks apart and sinks, this didn't do such thing. This sort of a shutter and nothing. It sat there. What was happening as I later realized is there was a big hole on the side. Water was pouring in and the British couldn't stop it and the ship quite quickly did actually lower itself slowly but deliberately to the bottom of the harbor and there it stopped with the smokestacks sticking up out of the water.\n\nThis was a Haganah operation but it didn't stop [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11688.0,11977.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] from running around a few minutes later with posters posting them on the wall with the arm holding the rifle which was available saying, [foreign language], only this way. Of course, it was a Haganah operation. Not that [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11977.0,11991.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] wasn't capable of and didn't do a heroic thing of their own, they did but they did take advantage of this to put their posters up maybe they were saying [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=11991.0,12001.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] this is the way to do it, whether Haganah does [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12001.0,12004.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] does it. We were on the docks and we were quite depressed to think that this was not successful, but it turned out to be successful, whereupon the British loaded us onto, again, buses co-opted for the purposes with British guards to take us away. I remember climbing aboard this, in the front of this bus and I looked in the mirror and I saw this gaunt face, unshaven.\n\nIt was I and I had no idea up to that moment how I looked, but I'd been on Cyprus for two and a half months. We all had dysentery of some kind, I had amoebic dysentery, which wasn't cured until I got back to Boston and the Harvard Medical School found a solution for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12004.0,12058.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Were you thinking at all about going back to law school at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12058.0,12062.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: At this point, no. I think if anything, I was predisposed to stay and I would have stayed, I can come to that if we have time. I was predisposed to stay. We were taken in promptly to Atlit where we were sent in and later on, they wanted to record everybody, but we never showed up with our names. We never recorded ourselves in Atlit because from Atlit, the certificates were going to be given out and each name would be a certificate. Haganah didn't intend for us to use up a certificate.\n\nThere we were an Atlit prison. Now we're in barracks and it's much more civilized nder control of the Jewish Agency. I was there for five weeks. I was smuggled out this way. They came to me and said, \"You're-- Haganah said, \"You're a heart patient and you're going to be taken to the Hadassah Hospital.\" One day, a nurse takes me by the hand and leads me very gingerly to the gate, she got papers. They take me outside and I'm walking very carefully and they put me into a car.\n\nThere's a Jewish policeman with his big astrakhan hat they used to wear in those days, this caracal or black wool. I get in the car and I'm quiet. I don't know what's going to happen to me. I assume that they're taking me someplace. As we're driving along, he said to me, he said, \"Do you know where you're going? I said, \"No.\" He said, \"You're going to your friends in Haifa.\" He was Haganah also. We were on the old road, the new road now along the highway, but the old road that goes from here to Hadera and then from there to Haifa, that was the old road at the time. That was a road we used.\n\nHe took me into Haifa. He took me downtown Hadera, he says go up to the second floor. I go to the second floor and there is an office and some of the guys I recognize from Haganah. They sat me down, they took my picture. In about an hour, I had false papers with my picture on it and everything, false papers and with those, I got around Israel, passed a number of times the CID's security and they passed. Now I'm in Palestine. I'm in Palestine and I'm under the authority and control and security of the Haganah.\n\nMcDonald got out because they put him in an empty fish crate and put more fish crates on top of it, they were leaving, taking trash out of the camp and they got him out of the camp that way. Murray ended up I think-- I don't know how he got out, I don't remember anymore, but he was in-- Yes, I know. He was taken to one of the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12062.0,12250.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] they had less secure barbed wire encampment there before they released people.\n\nOne night we were already out together with the Haganah guy, went to this camp, it was dark, off the road and we crawled up to the perimeter with wire cutters. We cut the wire and the guys came out through the wire. We walked across country to the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12250.0,12277.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and we were out [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12277.0,12281.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] I ran into a guy named Alex Shore, who was one of the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12281.0,12286.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] on our ship. He's now a lawyer in Haifa, very nice guy. Very interesting guy. Maybe you should talk to him. Alex Shore was there visiting his girlfriend? There we were, we come into [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12286.0,12296.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] having liberated these guys from Kiryat Motzkin or somesuch place and there's a guy I know. All these little things kept happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12296.0,12306.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female Speaker: There was a visitor at Atlit that [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12306.0,12308.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12308.0,12311.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male Speaker: [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12311.0,12311.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12311.0,12312.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: There was what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12312.0,12312.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Male Speaker: [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12312.0,12312.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\n[sound cut]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12312.0,12336.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Do you want to do that later? We'll try. We'll try. I don't like to be late because it's an important meeting.\n\n[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12336.0,12349.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female Speaker: [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12349.0,12350.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12350.0,12354.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: There are stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12354.0,12360.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: When you were in Atlit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12360.0,12361.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: When I was in Atlit, one day, I'm standing by the fence and some VIP Americans came up. Lo and behold, one of them was the lady I knew, that was Judith Epstein. I think she was president of Hadassah. I had known her because in my student days in [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12361.0,12384.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] we had had clashes, friendly clashes over the Zionist organization of America Youth Commission controlling [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12384.0,12394.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] We had our own notions of independence and we had had these differences and I knew Judith Epstein from those relationships.\n\nThere was Judith Epstein and she says to me, \"Harold Hartz, what are you doing behind barbed wire?\" I said to her, \"Mrs. Epstein, what are you not doing behind barbed wire?\" Quoting from Walden. End of episode, but it was a curious meeting. There was also another session on Cyprus where I met another VIP, American from Boston, Freddy Mollison, but that's a story in itself. We won't tell it now. Anyway, after I had gotten back into Palestine, I wanted to stay and there was this school for diplomats [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12394.0,12449.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] which the Jewish Agency guys thought I would be fit for.\n\nI'd had a year at Harvard College degree and a year at the law school. I was vouched for by the right people, but I had to do to pass muster with [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12449.0,12467.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] whose name, Ibrahim, at that time, his name had been [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12467.0,12472.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] he took the name [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12472.0,12473.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] He was then in the States and I was hanging around waiting for him to come back because I really wanted to stay. He didn't come back. Time went, time went and I'm sitting there and the time is going by. Time's a-wastin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12473.0,12490.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: This is 1947.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12490.0,12492.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: This is 1947. I can't sit around enjoying the country and running around with my guys. I've got a life to live, I got to get on with it. We decided that I would go back and see my parents and see [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12492.0,12506.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] at that time as [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12506.0,12509.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] at that time in New York. I did. How I got back and what I did in France, how I ran into [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12509.0,12518.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] story again is another story, but I didn't get back and I did see [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12518.0,12524.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] He said, \"You'll hear from me.\"\n\nI'm waiting to hear from [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12524.0,12530.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] nothing. Nobody, nobody contacts me. I heck with it. I go back to law school and I make my arrangements to go back for my second year because I heard from nobody. That's a story in itself how I got back into law school, they weren't anxious to have me back. A guy who was such Cavalier fashion walked out on the August Harvard Law School, but I did get back into my second year. I was back in and starting my second year, when Ben Gurion first came to America and Ralph Goldwyn was his secretary on that trip.\n\nI saw them and part of their entourage, they went to the Boston Garden and so on. Ralph says, \"I got a message for you here to come.\" I even may have gotten a letter, I don't know, but it was too late. Ralph gave me the message. It was too late. I was already back on track in the Harvard Law School. I'm going to leave another time to go back too late. They missed the boat, I missed the boat. The train had left the station. I finished then I went ahead and I finished my law school. Met my wife, we got married, I practiced law and came [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12530.0,12607.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] at the end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12607.0,12610.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: [foreign language]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12610.0,12615.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: After this whole episode, you're on the boat, you get sent back to Cyprus. When you finally get to Palestine and get to see the country, what did you feel? Mission accomplished, did you feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12615.0,12635.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: No I felt I found what I wanted. I felt this is where I wanted to be. This is my home. This is where I meant to come both physically and spiritually. I felt that. I meant to stay, want to stay. It didn't dependent upon my going to any diplomatic school. I could have done something else, but this was in the pipeline. Sounded like a reasonable thing. Didn't work out but there's nothing that's changed. You find that the bureaucracy in Israel today is equally inept and is equally self-destructive as it was then, only more so. Because you got a bigger bureaucracy and bigger issues, so you get bigger failures, but nothing has changed in that respect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12635.0,12676.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: As a Jew first time in Palestine, what do you feel in the holy land?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12676.0,12683.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: What I feel that time, I felt that I belong here. This was different from anyplace else. This was part of me and I was part of it. I really felt that and still do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12683.0,12699.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: You mentioned before that this was a transformative moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12699.0,12706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12706.0,12707.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Now, looking back 60 years later, looking back, do you feel that same way? Do you want to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12707.0,12720.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Well, yes. Do I have any regrets? No, I don't have regrets. But, those who are left behind, they did very well in the practice of law. They're quite comfortable. I don't mean to denigrate it at all. I think that's great. They have nice homes and summer homes and one thing and another. They're all desirable things which I would have enjoyed it. I even suspect I probably would have been a judge with my history there but I was not happy. That's not the way I want to spend my life and give my energies. Whatever I had to give, I wanted to give it to the Jewish people. I knew that when I was having the best life possible imaginable in Boston, successfully practicing law, comfortable financially, everybody's happy and healthy. It's not what I want out of life.\n\nI am very disappointed about many things that are developed in Israel, what Israel has turned out to be. I don't deny that. I don't don't say that it isn't still Israel and the home of the Jewish people and the place I want to be, and the place with which I identify, but I think it's far too precious to suffer what it's suffering from its own people. The cavalier way in which our leaders dismiss pieces of it. Kowtow and the show, less than pride. They don't show the pride they should have, they don't show the fortitude. They cave in too easily.\n\nAlso, they're not talented enough anymore. The talented people fall by the way, as victims of party politics. We deserve better from our leaders than we're getting, very disappointing. It doesn't mean that I've given up on Israel or I don't believe that we have a future or I don't believe that the Jewish State has everything to offer us still. The home of the Jewish people with our own history and our national celebration of our holidays and remembering and staying with our heroes. I'm optimistic but we're going to pay a terrible price for our failures. I'm going to be around to pay for the failures also. That's also part of what I'm obliged to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12720.0,12878.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: Thank you very much. This was--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12878.0,12879.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female Speaker: Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12879.0,12880.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Aryeh: -excellent. If you have another minute or two, I would love to see that article that you mentioned from Time Magazine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12880.0,12891.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold: Yes, I'll show you. It was in Boston. Where was this? 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We need to read the archive once in a while [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12961.0,12965.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] He's a mess. This is the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12965.0,12972.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\n[background conversation]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12972.0,13034.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female Speaker: Hello. 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Okay, so when you get home you can look up about Israel train schedules, from Tel Aviv I guess [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13082.0,13110.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] All right. The morning went okay [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13110.0,13114.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] Did you even get in front of a judge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13114.0,13121.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35322/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Crew: Can we have a few 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That's my identity.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1742.547,1745.403"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/647","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't say \"I'm of Italian\nextraction or Italian descent,\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1745.487,1749.393"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/648","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in other words, is I'm a 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financially,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9163.257,9166.557"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2603","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everybody's happy and healthy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9166.737,9168.513"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not what I want out of 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pride.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9204.057,9209.007"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2615","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They don't show the pride they should have,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9210.027,9211.563"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2616","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"they don't show the 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anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9215.547,9219.747"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The talented people fall by the way,\nas victims of party politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9220.857,9226.287"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We deserve better from our leaders\nthan we're 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It was in Boston.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9290.023,9293.217"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9296.877,9298.077"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[?] troop here, you served in Marines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9298.65,9302.314"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9302.398,9304.121"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Marine finished up with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9304.205,9306.492"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great, so we're hopeful\nit'll be such [?] summertime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9306.576,9309.511"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2642","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll tell you about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9309.595,9311.685"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2643","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[?] No, it wasn't this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9312.573,9316.405"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2644","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They never found out who blew up the ship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9321.437,9323.502"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2645","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They never found out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9323.586,9325.236"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2646","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, they did,\nand they didn't. 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schedules,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9502.617,9507.183"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2663","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from Tel Aviv I guess [?] All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9507.267,9513.963"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2664","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The morning went okay [?] Did\nyou even get in front of a 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can tell them that they can put\nthe music on if they want or the TV.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9534.169,9539.051"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh yes, I'll tell 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[?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=9547.242,9554.242"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/35321/annotation/2674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He [?] like four years or five 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Why don't you begin by telling us a little bit about where you were born and growing up?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=69.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, briefly, I was born actually in a small town in Romania, my mother's hometown called Vaslui. My father was also Romanian from a nearby town called Botoșani. When I was about three months old, my parents emigrated, came to America, 1921, bringing me a babe in arms to the United States. We promptly settled in Savannah, Georgia, where my father was a Hebrew teacher, a baal korei, baal tefillah shochet until age seven, at which point my father got a permanent position in Terre Haute, Indiana at Temple B'nai Abraham. It was a new orthodox synagogue in Terre Haute where he was acting rabbi but he stopped his Shkhita and he limited himself to teaching and to being the chazan where I grew up until I went off to college in 1939.\n\nShlomi Albo:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=85.0,160.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One second\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=160.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You will see that all my formative years were in Terre Haute, Indiana. Thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=168.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[background conversations]\n\nSpeaker:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=168.0,188.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can put the glass there.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=188.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=190.0,204.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell me a little bit about your parents about what their backgrounds were what they were like and the names?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=204.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. My mother's name was Malvina and my father was Eli, Eliahu. They came of course from the usual Eastern European religious homes, small merchants. My father, however, was sent off to the yeshiva in Buhuşi to study as a young boy. By the time he had married and left, he had already become an instructor, a teacher at the Buhuşi Yeshiva and he was destined of course to be a religious servant to the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother for her part was an expert seamstress in Romania, and, as I understand the story she did tailor-made dresses for all of the Romanian nobility and rich people in the area. She was very much in demand and she all her life, made her clothes and my sister's clothes and they were always beautiful and outstanding. She was a talented lady. She learned French all by herself in Romania. I recall that in my years while growing up my mother had in her possession a Bible in French, which she enjoyed reading. This was self-education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Savannah and again in Terre Haute, we had an Orthodox home, modern Orthodox, even by those standards at the time. We were kosher, of course, and observant in every way. I grew up feeling this was perfectly natural with the faith in God without any question about the obligation to observe the mitzvot. I didn't wear peyote and I didn't even wear a peyot and I didn't even wear a kippah. My father didn't have a peyot but he did wear a kippah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It went into our days in Terre Haute, where I first entered the first year of grade school. Even in Terre Haute, we were an encapsulated entity of our own in an otherwise alien, non-Jewish atmosphere and it never seems strange to me. I felt perfectly comfortable being religiously orthodox at home and, integrating with my fellow students and the high school routine, and the junior high school routine outside of the house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a bicycle where I ran around with my friends, among them, non-Jewish boys, good friends, but we never interacted socially. In all my growing up, in all my years of growing up, I do not recall that I ever entered a non-Jewish home at all, much less for a social event. When I had a birthday party when I was very young, or later on, I went to other people's homes for some sort of a celebration. It was only into Jewish homes with Jewish boys and girls such as there were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I never attended a party in a non-Jewish home without any sense of hostility or strangeness or discomfort. It just wasn't the way it was done. At some point, it was a cut-off world. We had our Jewish world and they had their world. There was a lot of integration in some areas but once you cross the line, it was yours. Holidays came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[background conversation]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=211.0,475.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When the holidays came, I didn't go to school. In Terre Haute, we had Hebrew school every day after the regular grade school was finished from four o'clock till about six every day except Friday. We had Saturday morning services at the temple for the young people. We had a Sunday school where my father was also one of the teachers, learn Jewish history. We learned Hebrew. We had a Jewish society within this Hoosier Indiana, non-Jewish ocean.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=475.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you have siblings?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=516.0,518.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had a sister. She's passed away a few years ago, younger than me by 14 months. She shared the same experience and the same orientation. She never developed a Zionist proclivity as I did. While she was always a nice Jewish lady, she ended up more or less assimilated and less overtly Jewish, although she certainly identified as a Jewish, a bright lady. She was a psychiatric social worker in Houston where she passed away.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=518.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you feel American?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=561.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I feel very American. I excelled in my studies in grade school and in high school. I was valedictorian of my class in high school. In junior high school, I won the gold pin, the Sarah Scott gold pin for having the best marks and the best collateral extracurricular activities. I was not only comfortable with it, I excelled in the non-Jewish world. In high school, I was captain with the debating team. I went to the National speech tournament with my group. We were fully integrated and identified and all these activities, which had nothing to do with our particular identity as Jews or non-Jews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=564.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For example, when we used to travel for debate tournaments to Purdue, or to Indiana University and Lafayette or other cities in, Indiana for inter-high school debates, these always took place on a Saturday morning. I recall that when we were going to debate at Purdue or Indiana University, I left school on Friday afternoon. I took a bus to the university by myself. I stayed overnight in one of the Jewish fraternity houses where there were boys from Terre Haute who hosted me. I had a bed to sleep in and the next day I walked to the debate without taking handwritten notes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=564.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I carried on the debate and, and the team and the parent who came and my sainted high school teacher, Winifred Ray, a marvelous woman. They all waited with Me Saturday until we saw three stars in the sky. Then we all got in the car and we came home and this was accepted. That was my way of life. It was not considered strange by them and it was not considered strange by me. That's the way it was. That was my particularity. I had no embarrassment or no difficulty enhuing to that and that's how I felt.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=564.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you involved in any type of youth movements?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=700.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. We had an adult Zionist organization in Terre Haute. I'll give you a background for a moment on that. One of the leading lady was a lady named Mrs. Teittleman. She and her husband were friends of Ben Tsvi. How that came about I don't know ultimately. They made aliya and they bought their house next to Ben Tsvi I think in Ashkelon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=706.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, she and my father were two of the leading Zionists and a man named Sussman who also made aliya in due course. His son is still living here I'm sure. With their assistance, we organized a Young Judea chapter in Terre Haute. In my junior year of high school, I guess it was it may have been my senior year I was chairman of the first Young Judaea chapter in Terre Haute. I remember they gave me a gavel. We organized all such Jewish teenagers as there were. There weren't that many. We only had 200 families all in all, into a Young Judaea club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=706.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2707","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I recall going to the Young Judaea convention, Des Moines, Iowa, the Midwestern Young Judaea Convention. I even won a medal for the swimming competition, 50-meter swimming. I don't know what's happened to it, many years I had this Young Judaea medal for being the champion young Judea, 50-meter swimmer Midwest region. What happened to Young Judea after I went off to college, I don't know. I suspect that it petered out. This was at least my early identification with the formal organized Zionist Movement. Of course, it meant to the extent that we understood the divisions within Zionism, and we were considered general Zionists.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=706.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2708","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you following news or events that were happening in Palestine at that time?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=835.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No. In Terre Haute, there wasn't much access to news. We had the local newspaper, but there was a ZEO publication, which we did receive, or rather it wasn't ZEO. I think it may have been B'nai Brith publication. We did get that in the house but it was not terribly informative. There wasn't much news to be had. There wasn't really much news generated in Palestine that would have any serious international interest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was more local than international. We knew about the Arab riots, for example. You heard talk about it at home but we didn't have literature and we didn't have radio and there was no television of course. It was small-town Indiana, out of the mainstream. We didn't have people who were passing through on their way from Europe into the United States to California or back. That didn't happen in Terre Haute so we didn't even get that kind of seating, that kind of stimulus as we had, for example, all the years I was in Boston, where it was constantly seething with information, new people, and ideas and organizations and so on. That didn't happen in Terre Haute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"However, when I did go off to Harvard College for my freshman year and I'll digress later on for something interesting, which you may or may not want to include. I didn't go off to Harvard my freshman year, the first thing I did was to seek out Jewish students. Towards the end of my freshman year, I found that there was an Avukah organization in Harvard. This was a student Zionist Federation, again, under the sponsorship of the General Zionist Organization Youth Commission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These were, for the most part, Jewish boys and girls who were from the Boston area, Roxbury, Dorchester, Brookline. They came from more sophisticated homes and more world-oriented, and they formed the Avukah organization. They were the principal members. I don't recall that we had more than one or two members outside of the Boston area except for myself because I looked for them, gravitated towards them, and joined them and became a member of Avukah and subsequently, with Millie Cates at the time, was renamed now, Millie Guberman. She was president finally of the New England region, and I was her Vice President. This is the development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, it provided the entree to Zionist education. We had summer camp. We had lectures. We had senior advisors, and it began to flesh out so that when I came to write my honors thesis in my senior year in the field of government and philosophy, I chose political theory of the early Zionist Movement for my honors thesis. For that, of course, I read the basics Herzl and Borechov, and Ahad Ha'am and others, and I related it to the nationalist movements that took place between the two wars and the Risorgimento in Italy and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,843.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was my honors thesis oriented towards the Zionist thinking. It was not a very good document. I've read it in subsequent years, it was not particularly good. I did get my honors, but much, much better stuff was written by more talented people than myself. That was my interest. That's the story of me.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=843.0,1085.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell me for a minute about getting into Harvard College and applying and as somebody from Indiana?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1085.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2716","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, that was the digression I referred to a moment ago, I was going to tell you. I didn't know too much about universities or particularly about Eastern universities, and certainly not about Harvard. I had no way of being exposed to that kind of thing. We didn't know about that kind of thing. I didn't think too much about it, but I thought I will be going to a local university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1093.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2717","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I said, I was valedictorian on a straight A record from junior high school on and through high school. Winifred Ray, whom I mentioned before, was our debate coach, teacher in Wiley High School. She had a ferocious, protective attitude towards her people. She loved her students. She was an unmarried lady, no children, and she was protective. She was a tigress about making sure that we were on the right path and realized our potential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1093.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2718","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She guided me into competing for the Harvard Club of Indiana scholarship to Harvard, tuition scholarship. The chairman of the Harvard Club of Indiana at that time was a man named Alex Vonnegut. He is the uncle of Kurt Vonnegut. Kurt Vonnegut comes from Indianapolis originally. This is his Uncle Alex, who's mentioned in his books from time to time. He was an insurance man in Indianapolis. There was a doctor in Terre Haute who was a graduate of the Harvard Medical School, whom Ms. Ray persuaded to write letters of recommendation for me and to go to bat for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1093.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2719","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was awarded the Harvard Club of Indiana scholarship to Harvard, which at that time paid tuition for the first year. I don't recall how much it was, it was something nominal. With that scholarship, I was able to get a job at the Harvard College waiting tables in the freshmen dining hall. These were jobs reserved for poor boys, scholarship students. We were granted rooms. Certain rooms were set aside for the boys who needed the scholarships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1093.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2720","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The tuition was paid by the Harvard Club of Indiana, and I was awarded. I don't recall exactly how it came about, but I don't recall that I ever paid for my room at Harvard. For my board, I waited tables, and I was permitted to eat. Among the people who were freshmen waiters with me was one fellow student who became a professor at the Harvard Law School eventually.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1093.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you remember his name?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1285.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. I will think of it. In my sophomore year, my roommate was one Norman Mailer, The Naked and the Dead Norman Mailer who was a freshman, who was my sophomore roommate. I'm sorry, it was my junior year he was my roommate at Dunster House. In my junior year, we were roommates. At that time, Norman, during that period, he won the first prize for the National College Short Story Contest. He wrote a story called The Happiest Day of My Life. It was a very good story. When it was reviewed, he said that the reviewer found meanings in his story that he himself hadn't intended to put in, but it was there from his own intuition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1286.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That was the beginning of Norman Mailer's literary career. Unfortunately, Norman never wrote a Jewish novel. He never as far as I know, never came to Israel and never wrote anything closer to Israel than writing his own worldview of Jesus. Beyond that, he didn't really move in my direction. Interesting fellow all the same.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1286.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What did your parents as immigrants to the United States think about their son going off to Harvard?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1364.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My father, in the earlier days when I was in junior high school, always talked about sending me the Yeshiva in Chicago to study in the Yeshiva. That was a natural thing for him to think, but the avalanche of Americanism that had engulfed all of us, and the tremendous amount of identification that I had had, maybe possibly out of my success as a student persuaded him and my mother that there was much more to living and much more to me than being another yeshiva bocher in Chicago. I don't know what their thinking was, but I'm sure it was a difficult decision. I'm sure that Winifred Ray had something to do with their views of what should happen to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hadn't any firm convictions either way. I was, particularly as I recall, interested in going to Yeshiva, but I would have gone had it worked out that way. I didn't have any particular predilection. I certainly felt secure and powerful in the non-Jewish world. I have to say this to my parents' eternal credit, that they were prepared to accept the fact that I would not be going in a strictly orthodox path, but I would be going off to the alien atmosphere in Boston. They're gone. I'm not near them. The parental influence was no longer there. They had to trust me to be the right kind of person on my own at that point. They did, and they allowed me to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that point, it also was extremely difficult because I had been committed to kashrut all my life and here I am at the university and there was no kosher food available. I apparently didn't have the calling or the inclination to live on vegetables. I began to eat non-kosher in the dining room. I never ate anything that couldn't have been kosher. I never ate pork, or ham, or shellfish, but I did eat meat. In later years, I stopped when it became possible and I got older and considered it even more and more, I returned to kashrut and to participation in the synagogue and to Orthodoxy, which I am today. It was a long hiatus between my going off to college and my return to Orthodoxy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"During that time, even at Harvard, I never went to class, I never wrote, I never did anything on the high holidays, and even though for a long time, I didn't even go to shul. There was a period when I really hadn't resolved all these things in my own mind. It was a long journey of self-awareness, self-seeking, but in due course, after I'd come here, I did return to observance and orthodoxy, because I thought it through. I didn't have an epiphany, I just thought it through, and concluded that it was necessary for a complete, honest life. I'm also persuaded that politically, I'm convinced that ארץ ישראל בלי תורה היא כגוף בלי נשמה I think that as a mantra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think that today, if I may again digress who don't understand that or don't accept that, particularly in our leadership, they've lost their way and the younger people find it perfectly natural to emigrate and look for the good life in the United States, because they've lost the sense of identity with history and with our land and with the spiritual side of Zionism, as distinct from the political side, which requires we have a refuge from holocausts, which is political and pragmatic, but it's certainly not sufficient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"During the period we're talking about when I was in college, I was on a journey, so to speak, on a personal journey of finding myself and agonized a great deal over what my obligation was to the world, and even indeed, why should I be a Jew, or as Avraham Burg now says, \"A citizen of the world.\" I wrestled with these problems. I remember that once, going to see Gaetano Salvemini. Salvemini was a great man. He was an Italian statesman ousted by Mussolini. He wasn't Jewish. He was teaching at Harvard. That's where he'd come when he fled Italy. I took a course from him. I thought Salvemini was a fellow to discuss this subject with. I went to see Salvemini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I said, \"This is what troubles me. I am Jewish, and I don't quite know where it leads me, and why should I be Jewish and not something else, why should I be committed to that?\" He said to me, he said, \"When people ask me, are you Italian? I don't say I'm just Italian, I say I'm a wop.\" He said, \"I am what I am. I am Italian. That's my identity.\" I don't say \"I'm of Italian extraction or Italian descent,\" in other words, is I'm a wop. It was important to hear that. I never had any doubt really about being a committed Jew, I just didn't know what the content was, and what kind of baggage it carried.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, I was aware of antisemitism, although there wasn't a great deal of it in the United States overt, except Father Coughlin on the radio and the few people selling newspapers on the street corners. In our immediate society, there wasn't any Jew-baiting. I didn't suffer any of that in high school, but I was aware of it. I didn't like the notion that we had to walk around keeping our psychological guards up because people might say something adverse. I knew that in many people's minds they didn't like Jews but I didn't see it as an over thing but I was aware of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, I had learned of the programs in Europe and the anti-semitism that my parents experienced in Romania. I felt that in that sense the world was against us. I think that part of my motivation into becoming a Zionist part of it was a sense of having a refuge where Jews could come if they wanted to and if they had to, a place where as Rabbi Lau says about his brother I don't know if you know what Rabbi Lau said, he said that when he as a little boy came out of the concentration camps with his older brother, his older brother said to him, “You have to go to Palestine because that is a country where they don't kill Jews.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2734","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I felt something very similar to that about being vulnerable to antisemitism. As I learned more and more about Nazism, I was more and more convinced and dedicated to the notion that we had to be masters of our own fate in this area as well.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1374.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2735","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did you already feel this? You started Harvard in--\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1891.0,1896.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1939.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1896.0,1898.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-1939. Kristallnacht.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1898.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we started to learn about these things. As Nazism developed, then of course I was in Boston I had newspapers and much more sophistication in international affairs. Of course, I knew about Kristallnacht, I knew about the Nazis. It was very much part of my formative thinking. I believe more than that, as I have just talked about, not merely the political ramifications and the security but the spiritual journey. If we had to define ourselves, if we had to know who we are and what we are, we had to know where we've been to know where we're going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1906.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I always put it in terms of that you require two points to get a direction. On one point, you spin like a tab. You need two points. You need to know where you've been and you need to know where you are to understand where you're going. I think that's what self-identification is, seeking those two points and the line that it draws. I felt that certainly, we had to be close to our history, we had to be close to our ethic, close to the Torah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1906.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which would be meaningless if we didn't believe in a divine being, if you didn't believe in the authority of a God, what reason would you have for respecting the ethical aspects of Judaism? If you didn't believe in that then who are you? You're just another person if you don't have a relationship with the divine.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=1906.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At this point, you're in Harvard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2019.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[background conversation]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2019.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[sound cut]\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2019.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2744","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why don't you tell me about your time in Harvard College undergraduate and the activities that you were involved with related to Israel or Zionism.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2067.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2745","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As an undergraduate, I followed the same pattern, the same routine as all students. Our studies were the most important thing. Of course, I didn't have any money. I was working all the time. I had all kinds of jobs to give me pocket money. My father was a small-town rabbi. He and my mother were very careful about finances. My father was helping all of his sisters in Romania. He sent them dowries, scraped the other dowries from his meager earnings so his sisters could get married, and so he didn't have any money to give me. I didn't expect anything from my parents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2081.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2746","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had various jobs. After my freshman year when I was waiting tables since I was a scholarship student and maintained my marks, I had a job in the Widener Library. I worked at the libraries during the week, a certain number of hours behind the delivery desk. In the mornings for a period of time I deliver the Harvard Crimson, I'd get up early in the morning before everybody else, and I would go take my papers, and I'd make the rounds in all the houses, the dormitories, we called them Harvard houses, leaving the Harvard Crimson at the door, so that [laughs] when my less needy classmates awoke to have breakfast they had their Crimson waiting for them, which I did happily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2081.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sometimes I worked in the restaurant across the way washing pots and pans for meals. The summers came along, I didn't have the money to travel back to Terre Haute and back again round-trip. I needed money to live so I stayed in Harvard in a cheap room and I worked at the library full time. During the school year on Saturdays when everybody else was going off to the football game which was of no real interest to me, with their girlfriends, and there were a lot of partying and so on, I again worked at the Widener Library all day Saturday, first in the periodical room and then at night in the stacks checking out books or Guardiums where the people who were doing scholarly work came in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2081.0,2081.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2748","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I worked almost around the clock. That was fine. A lot of it left me time for reading while waiting for things to happen. I had various jobs to sustain me. I did other things. I was a wrestler. I didn't know anything about wrestling until I got to Harvard. They taught me. I had some aptitude for it. I was on the freshman wrestling team. I weighed 128 pounds, 135 pounds I can't recall. I think I wrestled at 128 if I'm not mistaken. I took off weight before each meet. I wrestled for Dunster House. It was unimportant. It's one of the things that students did. Everybody did something. That's what I did.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2081.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you following activities that were going on in Palestine at all?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2289.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yes, in a book. We were getting lectures. Sure, there was a lot of talk. A lot of information came my way of course.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2295.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Visitors from Palestine coming?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2302.0,2304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, we had shlichim and we had also professors from various universities in the East who were interested in student Zionism and came and spoke to us. If I think a while I'll think of some of the names who came. We had senior people, really serious creditable people who took an interest in us, and that gave us further confidence and momentum and gravitas if you like that word. It was an education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2304.0,2304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2753","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Summertime we had summer Avukah camp and we got to know the hashomer hatzair people who were in their training. That was an influence. These were very dedicated young men and women, people the likes of which I had never met before. I had great admiration for them. They were real people. They were quite different from the fellow students at Harvard. These were people who were living by some principles, some ideal, and were sacrificing material advantages for this purpose of being a halutzi very impressive. It was real. It wasn't pretending.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2304.0,2389.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2754","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The war broke out, United States joined--\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2389.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2755","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, in my senior year, the war broke out, shocked everybody, and everything was transformed. Suddenly we were on a war footing at Harvard. We began to get all kinds of orientation and information lectures as to how to behave and what to expect. I was anxious to get into the war, I was supposed to graduate in June of '43 but I didn't want to wait, I was really afraid that the war would be over I could get into it. I tell you the truth, that's how I felt. It would be over before I could get into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2756","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I accelerated and in the summer of '42, I went to classes round the clock, through the summer, I took courses and I accelerated so I could graduate early and I did. I graduated in January of '43 rather than in June, I just didn't have time to wait. I took my final exams in December, January and without waiting for the result and without waiting for commencement, without any further ado, I packed my bags and I enlisted in the navy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2757","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had some difficulty because I wasn't quite tall enough, I was a few centimeters short of the required height, and the people-- I got a whole write up on the thing, at the athletic center helped me stretch, changed my posture a bit so that I could elevate my head the extra two centimeters. I was told to go get measured early in the morning when I first got up and before I engaged in any activities and people transported me down to be measured right after I got up. I finally was admitted in the officers' candidate school to be a navy officer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Just as soon as I finished my exams, I packed my bags and I had a short time to wait. If I'm not mistaken, I don't recall where I went until I could get into the navy, I don't think I went directly to New York. I think I might have gone down to my aunt's in Florida, I don't remember anymore, but it was a very short period and not memorable. Immediately I was at John Jay Hall at Columbia as a midshipman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You started out the first month as an apprentice seaman, you wore the typical navy pants with a button on the side. Apprentice shipman for a month then became a midshipman and I studied there to become a naval officer and graduated with everybody else. I remember that when we started, we were out on the parade ground and a naval captain was speaking to us and we were all standing there listening to him. He said to us, \"Men,\" he said in effect, \"Prepare yourself, you're going to be involved here for the next five years,\" He said, \"so do your best, do your studies, prepare yourselves to be good officers because you've got five years at least.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I thought to myself, \"What is he talking about? I haven't got five years to give him. I've got things to do. I've got to go to school. I've got to get married, got to have a family. Five years?\" To me this was appalling but there I was and I didn't believe it was going to be five years, even though he said it. Well, of course, it was a pretty good three and a half years for my service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, I did graduate with my commission as an ensign One of the people who was in midshipman school with me and also had been a freshman waiter, a lovely guy named John Blum, B-L-U-M, later became a professor of history I think at Yale. A very solid guy, John Blum, a college classmate and a classmate at the midshipman school. I don't know where John went for his service but he sent me and I requested submarines or destroyers, and they sent me to destroyers. From there, I began my service in the navy, in the US navy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are you interested in hearing about the navy? Well, I'll make it short. I did go to Border Destroyer, we served in the Pacific, we were nine major engagements against the Japanese which meant that on my Pacific Theater Ribbon I have nine battle stars. We fired our guns in anger nine times and we were attacked by Japanese Zeros and their kamikaze pilots, we were in the war, we were in a shooting war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My position on the ship was in charge of a 40mm gun battery on the fantail, I controlled that gun. On the other side of the fantail, the other 40mm battery was another college classmate whom I didn't know in college at all. He was a very nice guy, he was from the very old Boston families, very patrician and he was right alongside me in his gun battery. We were under attack, we shot at Japanese Betties, Japanese Zeros, I think my gun brought down one but everybody else was shooting at the same time, the sky was full of tracers and the plane went into the water before it hit our ship and we were firing at him also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At one point a torpedo, launched by one of the Japanese torpedo planes-- We were in a screen by the way with cruisers and battleships in the center, the destroyers were in the screen. They had to get past us to get to the battleships. This Japanese plane, it launched a torpedo headed for one of the cruisers, the battle [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2395.0,2794.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] and we saw it coming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=2794.0,5995.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Actually, it was coming from our port side, from that side, the ship going that way. I could see it, I could see the wake coming towards us, there's nothing anybody can do, you just watch it and wait for the explosion. I flexed my knees thinking that I didn't want to break my legs if I could avoid it and it passed under us. The depth setting was lower than the depth of the destroyer and it went on wherever it went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=5995.0,5995.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Later on, I said to one of the chief mates, I said, \"Chief, did you see that wake?\" He says, \"I did, I saw it and I just lifted my left leg and let it pass under.\" Well anyway, towards the end of the war when we went into decommissioning, I was promoted, I was executive officer of the destroyer but I was a deck officer during the whole time and I had naval experience and I knew something about ships. That ultimately, when we came aliyah bet I was made first mate of the Hatikva and Murray Greenfield was my second mate and my good friend Hugh McDonald, about whom I will talk was a seaman. It was the naval experience that helped me in aliya bet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=5995.0,5995.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[background conversations]\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=5995.0,6529.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ready?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6529.0,6530.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are we ready to go? [coughs] I had mentioned that the officer of the gun battery alongside me was a classmate. I recall his name now, it was Dick Harding, George Richard Harding, a really nice guy. Lived in Providence in recent years. Last I heard he was in Providence. To get to the end of the service, at the end of the war, I was determined to go to the Harvard Law School, I think I applied even before I left the ship, and I was admitted at the Harvard Law school. When I was demobilized, I went directly to Law school, I went to see my parents, my father had left Terre Haute and he was now in Minneapolis.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6530.0,6588.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What year is this?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6588.0,6589.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I'm sorry about that. During the war he'd gone to Minneapolis, after the war, when I was demobilized, he was already in Newport, Rhode Island. My father went to Newport, did I say this in my earlier information about my parents.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6589.0,6602.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You didn't get up to Minneapolis or Newport.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6602.0,6604.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll bring it in now. I'll talk about it. Start again. By the end of the war, my father had now found a position in Newport, Rhode Island where he stayed for many years as Rabbi at the Touro Synagogue, the oldest synagogue in America. Those were the happiest years I think that my father and mother ever had. It was just a very civilized, fine community and he spent those years among nice people. For my mother and father, those were golden years and they were there, I don't know, 14 years or more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6604.0,6604.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His picture is still there at the Touro Synagogue. At the end of the war, they were already there. I went to Newport for a short stay to visit with my parents before I went back to Cambridge to the Harvard Law School. I entered almost immediately with a class that was scheduled to graduate In 1948, I think.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6604.0,6693.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What year is it? You were starting now--\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6693.0,6695.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm starting law school. It's now it's now '46. I entered law school. I hope I'm exactly accurate on my dates. It may have been the end of the year, beginning of next year, I entered at the Harvard law school and it was a curious feeling because for the last number of years you were doing very responsible things. You were an officer, you were under fire. You had command, you were in a chain of command, you had a captain above you, you had men below you and so on and you are a man among men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6695.0,6695.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Suddenly you're in the Harvard law school. Again, you're a child sitting at the father's feet. You've got professors and you don't know anything and you really don't. It's a whole new language, a whole new field of learning and you've got the wise men at the top and you're back in a psychological subservient. Not that you couldn't accept it. Not that you were hostile to it but it was a big change in your orientation. I think we all felt it and it took some doing to be able to get into the rhythms of study but we did, it was towards the end of my first year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6695.0,6695.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's get back to where I went. I found a room in a house, a rooming house for students. There weren't sufficient dormitories to accommodate everybody at the law school at the time. Today they've expanded enormously but I went to a house with several other students hiring rooms. One of them was a fellow named Hugh McDonald. He was originally from California, a big fellow, handsome guy, red hair, athletic. I'll say it simply he had probably the sharpest most steel-trap mind of anybody I've ever known. He was brilliant. Again, a real guy, he was a macho guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6695.0,6695.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He and I became friends for one or the other, we really became buddies in law school. Hugh didn't have at that time a lot of patience for this bit-by-bit study, this parsing of cases and thinking things through carefully and sitting long periods of time. He had too much energy, too much feeling of doing things to accept the rigors of studying for at law. He was absent a lot of the time from classes. He was off on weekends with some girl he'd meet or something of that sort. He soon lost the momentum and he really didn't take law school first year very seriously, he never completed the first year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6695.0,6695.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Subsequently, he went to the University of Chicago Law School later on and did complete some studies, whether he ever got a law degree, I don't think so but he did complete some studies at the University of Chicago Law School. He and I, as I say were buddies, and about this time we began to learn about the concentration camps, what really went on, and about the Jews trying to get out of Europe to get into Palestine and what the British were doing.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6695.0,6919.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Up to this point, having been in the war and you did not--\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6919.0,6925.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Didn't know a whole lot of what was going on. We didn't know any of the details. We didn't know something. For example, when I was just finishing my course of study at Columbia and I was ready to go to my ship, this was in February. I can give you the exact date. There was an article that appeared in the Time Magazine about a, we can cut for a minute and I'll get it and I'll talk to you with this in hand.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6925.0,6964.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Remember as best as you can. We can check the specifics afterwards, I think.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6964.0,6968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was an article about a man named Zygielbojm. Zygielbojm had been in the Warsaw ghetto, wife and children were still there and they smuggled him out so he could come to the west to tell the Jews of the world, of America and Britain what was going on inside the Warsaw ghetto, and of the killings, which the Germans took great pains to hide.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6968.0,6968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He came to meet with the Jewish leaders. He quickly became discouraged, despondent by their lack of attention and seriousness and he went back to his room and committed suicide. That was Zygielbojm. That had a profound impact upon me. I cut the article out of The Time Magazine right there in the room where it was lying on a table and I kept it. After the war I framed it and I always had it on my wall. I still got it on my wall in my office. I'll get it for you, this article about Zygielbojm. I knew about Zygielbojm but all of the details and the enormity of it hadn't yet come home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6968.0,6968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we got back and we were going to law school, then everything was known. I remember I was obsessed with learning more and really beginning to understand. I know that at one point I read that there was a United Jewish appeal meeting in some temple and they were going to show films of the Warsaw ghetto before the war, before the end. I went down there that Sunday morning to see that snippet of film. I just felt that I had to get as close to it as I could. I had this obsession.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6968.0,6968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we learned about the Jews trying to get Palestine, and at that time IF Stone's Book, Underground to Palestine was published. He had written two Pulitzer Prize-winning articles for PM I think it was about his trip on one of the earlier Aliyah Bet ships, IF Stone. He wrote these articles that won Pulitzer Prize. They put them in a book called Underground to Palestine in which he talked about the Aliyah Bet ship he was on. We now learned that there was such a thing as Aliyah Bet and Hugh and I decided that we had to do it. We couldn't just sit in law school while this was going on. This was history being made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6968.0,6968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I felt the Jews like myself, people from Romania, where I was born. I, a Jew from Romania. These people had paid an enormous price in torture and death and loss of relatives and children torn for their mothers, all of that. I am not by any order of providence, by sheer chance. I, by sheer chance, grew up in the United States, nurtured school, a place to eat and sleep all the time secure. there was an imbalance here, a real imbalance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6968.0,6968.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had the good life and they had horror. It was an imbalance that had to be righted. It could never be righted but I had to do what I could towards righting it. I had to move towards righting it. That's how I felt. Hugh felt the injustice of the Holocaust. He felt the injustice of the Jews coming to Palestine, the right of the Jews to have a Jewish State. He and I decided to leave the law school at the end of the first year and sign up if we could. It was around the Christmas vacation. He and I went to New York, where I was looking for my earlier Avukah contacts, among them, Ralph Goldman. I was--\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=6968.0,7213.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you stop for-- Ralph Goldman was in Avukah?\n\nHarold Katz:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7213.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ralph Goldman was in Avukah or one of the leaders of our Zionist movement. I'm not sure he was officially Avukah. He was older than us, but we all knew him and looked up to him and some of the other seniors. Ralph was one of the people we knew as an older guy who shared our orientation. Through my contacts, I was able to locate something called Palestine Vocational Service. When I went in there, there was a secretary and I told her what I'd come for. She said, \"Wait a minute.\" She called somebody from the backroom and a fellow named Sam Halpern came out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sam Halpern later was a member of Kfar Blum. Sam Halpern was also one of the senior guys I had known in Avukah. I had no idea that he was there. I told Sam what I wanted to do, that I wanted to join this Aliyah Bet as a sailor. He said, \"Go back to Boston and see Eddie Parsons.\" Eddie Parsons was a young lawyer. Again, one of the seniors, Eddie had been a member of what was called Fel Coop, which was a different organization where they sent-- I think it was Fel Coop, where they sent one of their groups to Palestine to come back and report, something of that sort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eddie was then a young lawyer in his father's office, and I went to see Eddie and Janet Parsons. I just called Eddie. I said, \"I saw Sam in New York and he's referred me to you. I'd like to talk to you.\" He said, \"Oh.\" He said, \"Come over to the apartment Friday night and have dinner with us.\" I did. Janet was getting the food ready, a small apartment, and Eddie and I are talking. I told him what I wanted to do, and I had my friend Hugh McDonald as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Janet came out and Eddie said to Janet, \"Janet, Harold is going to take a trip.\" She said, \"Oh, where are you going?\" He said, \"Janet, you don't understand. He's going to take the trip.\" He said, \"What do you think?\" He says, \"Just the pool room bums volunteer with this thing? We got Harvard boys too.\" Well, Eddie made the arrangements. They vetted Hugh McDonald because he was not Jewish, and I vouched for him and then they checked him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They told us to wait, so we didn't go back to our second year in law school, just didn't go back. In anticipation of this, I went to see one of my professors, a guy I liked. He had been a colonel in the Marines during the war. He was my property professor, real property. Again, his name escapes me, but I told him what I was going to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said to me, he says, \"Jesus, Katz, don't let those Arabs get you.\" I took that as a dire warning of what would happen to me if I [laughs] got into trouble with the Arabs, but I told him what I was going to do. I thought somebody at the law school, somebody should know that I was leaving, not because I was just flying away, but I was going to do something serious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McDonald and I didn't report, just didn't go back, but I did complete my first year, took my exams. We waited for the call and then after about a week or 10 days of waiting in Cambridge for the call to come in, I got the call one day to report to New York.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7217.0,7453.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is now 1940--\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7453.0,7455.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"1947.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7455.0,7455.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-seven.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7455.0,7460.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McDonald and I, on the appointed date, took a plane down New York. We were then met by somebody who put us together with another group of boys who were then in the airport. Apparently, it was coordinated to have us all there at one time. Among them was Murray Greenfield. That was the first time I met Murray. They put us on a plane and flew us down to-- where was the ship? My memory needs refreshing. They flew us down to our ship in Charleston, South Carolina, I think it was.\n\nDevorah Katz:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7460.0,7503.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It started in Miami.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7503.0,7504.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Was it?\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7504.0,7504.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Miami?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7504.0,7505.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2806","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What?\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7505.0,7505.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2807","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Miami that it started?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7505.0,7507.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was Miami. They flew us down, we didn't see Miami, we just saw the dockside. That's right. They flew us down to Miami where they took us dockside. There was this hulk.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7507.0,7519.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you say they, who do you--?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7519.0,7522.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Palmach guys from New York. I don't remember who they were, I just remember that we were following directions to get on the--\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7522.0,7530.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were not American?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7530.0,7531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, they were Israelis or American Jews, but they said, \"Get on the plane.\" We got on the plane. \"Get off the plane.\" We got off the plane, perfect confidence of what we were doing. As I've said on other occasions, it was a ship that didn't inspire-- a boat that didn't inspire confidence. It was a hulk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7531.0,7531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We went aboard and there was a captain there, a non-Jewish captain who had been hired under the false premises that this was some commercial boat. He, later on, discovered what we were and was loyal to us and was very good, but I think he came aboard, not knowing exactly what he was getting into, but he was a professional captain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7531.0,7531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2814","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Jews of America among them Dewey Stone of Boston, Dewey Stone. Together with Paul Shulman, who at that time was a graduate of the Naval Academy, they set up a phony corporation called FB Corporation to buy armaments for Israel, and maybe they also handled some of the funds for the boat. Later on, I found out that the FB Corporation stood for Fuck the British, pardon the expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7531.0,7531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2815","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, we boarded this boat and right away we were assigned our jobs and the captain treated me as a proper first mate. Well, I'd been in the Navy, not in the Merchant Marine. There were many things about the Merchant Marines sailing that I didn't know. For example, I had never had to use-- although I learned about them at one time, I never had to worry about running lights and about what it signaled to oncoming ships and how you changed them to give certain messages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7531.0,7531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whatever I had learned, I'd forgotten because, during the war, your destroyer ran dark. You never turned lights on at sea. The first thing that captain said to me was, \"Okay, Katz. Check the running lights.\" Well, if ever there was a situation where you learn on the job, on-the-job training, that was it and I managed, turned switches, looked at the lights, \"Lights in order, captain.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7531.0,7531.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We set out for Baltimore. I should have refreshed my recollection. I haven't thought about this for a while. We had a storm all the way on the way up and we took a terrible battering. We got to Baltimore and we put into the shipyard there-- Could we cut for a minute while I think?\n\nMale:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7531.0,7709.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. Sure.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7709.0,7709.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sure.\n\nMale:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7709.0,7710.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cut.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7710.0,7710.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7710.0,7710.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7710.0,7712.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nMale:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7712.0,7741.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2824","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All right.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7741.0,7744.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2825","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ready?\n\nMale:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7744.0,7745.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2826","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7745.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2827","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes. I'm a little more certain in my memory now. We did start in Miami and never mind Charleston. We went up to Baltimore and that's when we took a battering in the storm. We put into Baltimore where they were waiting for us. They were expecting us. In Baltimore, we were repaired to get us ready for the trip across the ocean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were there together with a large ship, which was a Chesapeake Bay steamer called The President Warfield. I think the name Warfield is well known as the bride of the Prince of Wales who gave up his claim to the throne for Wallace Warfield Simpson. It was that family. It was the President Warfield, which later became the Exodus. This was the Chesapeake Bay steamer that became famous for the episode with refugees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From Baltimore, nothing eventful happened there, we sailed to Europe. We put in to the port in Lisbon, in Portugal. It was there that the ship was prepared to receive the Ma’apilim, our Coast Guard Cutter. There was an Israeli waiting for us there. He was a little fellow about my size, very sharp-looking, very very bright. They called him Captain Diamond. They referred to him as Captain Diamond, merchant marine, supposedly captain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2830","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Captain Diamond was really Joshua Rabinowitz. Later on, he changed his name to Joshua Baharav, from Kibbutz Ginosar. He was not only clever, he was a very enterprising, creative kind of undercover agent, how do I else to put it. He was active in Aliyah Bet in the underground, and preparing Ma’apilim coming aboard, arranging for the ships and all the hidden things that had to be done without exposure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was known also in various times as Pinky, a very interesting fellow. He had arranged with the ship chandlers and with the suppliers and the lumber people to overhaul what's supposed to be a ship from a shipping company that would carry supplies, goods and supplies. He gave the impression this was going to be the first among many ships to come if this worked out, if they did a good job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember that, when workmans started to work on our ship, he was there with a pencil. He watched the lumber and he went, he marked the edges of the lumber with his own numbers and his own markings to make sure that it wasn't stolen, that it could be accounted for. He wanted to know how many kegs and nails there were. He didn't let anything get by him. He wasn't going to allow any of our hard-earned, hard-gotten money to be frittered away by negligence. He watched everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For financing, he had a connection in Baltimore with a Jewish couple, and then in Lisbon he also had a connection, but it was all surreptitious. We prepared our ship which carried, as I recall, we're about 20 officers and men, as I have once said. When it was a Coast Guard Cutter, it carried a complement of 20. We prepared this ship so that it could accept and safely carry 1,500 people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2834","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We emptied out the hold, emptied it completely, and we prepared it to absorb the maximum number of bodies. We did that by building wooden shelves from a center carter, wooden shelves extending out to the sides of the ship, three layers high. We marked off, perpendicular to the central carter. We marked off spaces perhaps no more than a meter, a meter and a quarter wide, so that when people came aboard they would crawl into these spaces. Each one had a place for himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,7746.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I speak about this, sometimes I say we warehouse people, they're like loaves of bread on a baker's shelf. That's what we had to do in order to accommodate the numbers we intended to take. While we were in Lisbon, it was Passover time, Pesach. We arranged to have a Seder in Lisbon. We had a soldier on guard, our policeman, Portuguese officer, up on the bridge. Again, that was standard procedure in the port. How to have a Seder without disclosing who we were and what we were?\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7746.0,8116.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What did he think you were?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8116.0,8118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, they just thought we were a merchant ship. We had code words. We said we're going to carry bananas to Oklahoma. Those were the code words. Absurd, but that's the way we talk. We're bringing it to carry bananas, this is what everybody said. They didn't know what we were, but we were all Jews, except for one or two non-Jews who were part of the crew. [silence]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8118.0,8118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We hung sheets in the hold covering the metal walls so that we had a sense of a room. A couple of boys aboard who were acting as cooks prepared food for us, and Pinky was able to get Pesach food from Lisbon to bring it aboard from the Jewish community. He had a young couple from Lisbon who were also bankers with whom he had a working relationship and they knew what we were. They knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8118.0,8118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He had them come aboard for the Pesach with us, and we had a Pesach service in the hold of the ship. We told the soldier, we gave him a bottle of wine. We told him that it was the captain's birthday party, so if he heard singing he would know we were having a merry celebration. That was his information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8118.0,8118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was a memorable, of course, Pesach Seder, and Pinky sang for us some of the Israeli songs that they sometimes sang maybe at a Seder on the kibbutz, maybe not, but it had a very strong Israeli orientation under his influence. That was Pesach 1947. We finished preparing it in other ways. Now, we have 1,500 people, what do you do about toilets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8118.0,8118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We handled that by taking huge tin pipes, maybe a meter and a half in diameter. We cut them in half horizontally, so that we had troughs. We fixed those to the sides of the ship, just outside the deck, right alongside the deck. We built seats with wooden planks in triangles so that, when you sat down, you could sit down with the wide end of the triangle under your legs. Those were the toilet seats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8118.0,8118.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[phone rings]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8118.0,8304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Take the phone out of here. [silence] We set up to sea with mainly seats by setting up wooden planks, boards at angles to each other so that, when you sat down, you had the open end of the triangle under you and your backside was over the trough. Then we set hoses to run from one end of the trough to the other, so that it constantly washed the trough out over the side into the ocean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8304.0,8304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I personally supervised the building of those toilets, and then myself sanded the woods to avoid any unpleasant splinters. I made sure they were well sanded, did it myself. Then we hung sackcloth and curtains strung alongside these toilets to give some privacy from the rest of the ship. We had one side of the deck was for men and one was for women, and those were the toilet facilities for 1,500 people, and it worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8304.0,8304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We then took the ship, we escaped actually from Lisbon. I remember Pinky was on shore and in custody of the local police chief, who had come to arrest him. Pinky made his deal with the police chief, I subsequently learned, paid him off and Rocket, it was his name, actually came to visit Pinky in Kibbutz, Ginosar in subsequent years. Not only did he come afoul of the law, but he made an accomplice out of the law. He had that capacity. He's passed away since that. I was at Ginosar this last week, and I spoke to some of the people about him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8304.0,8304.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of his children is still living on the Kibbutz, but they remember him very well. From Lisbon, we set sail to pick up our Ma’apilim. The first thing we did was to stop at Port-de-Bouc in France to take on supplies. We took on all kinds of things that we would need for ourMa’apilim, food. We took on diapers for the babies.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8304.0,8453.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was all coordinated by--?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8453.0,8455.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"By the Haganah, by the Palyam, by the Haganah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8455.0,8455.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8455.0,8458.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8458.0,8477.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What's the last thing-\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8477.0,8481.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That you put this supplies on [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8481.0,8485.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8485.0,8486.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's a quarter to 12, but I've got to tell you, I have a very important 2:00 appointment in the Kirya that I've got to keep, 2:00.\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8486.0,8492.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I assume we're going to be done by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=8492.0,7950.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I assume we'll be done within an hour.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=7950.0,12096.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. That'll be good. I must be there at 2:00. What's the last thing that we recorded.\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12096.0,12106.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You had just taken on supplies in France and the ma'apilim are about to come on\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12106.0,12111.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did he get that?\n\nFemale:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12111.0,12112.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2860","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think he did.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12112.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2861","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We took on the necessary things for the women, and it was done very quickly, because we were worried that the British would get wind of who we were where we were, and they would try to stop us from leaving. Sure enough, we did escape just before the British and the authorities came to restrain the ship. We went in there and we got out very fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2862","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we took the ship to the coast of Italy to pick up our Ma’apilim, where they had gathered on the Italian West Coast. This was an area dominated by the Italian communists, who at that time were very sympathetic to the efforts by the Jews to establish the state and they were very anti-British. This was also an action against the British.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2863","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Haganah had arranged for some of the old Italian sea captains to control the port area when the Ma’apilim had to come aboard. We went in at night, two separate nights in two different ports, Porto Venere and Bogliasco. In the middle of the night, we were warned, A, not to speak English because if these Ma’apilim came aboard, and they heard English, they might panic thinking that it was a British trap or something they didn't understand. Not to speak English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2864","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Secondly, we didn't show any lights. Everything had to be done in the dark and we had to move fast. Then I remember, the Ma’apilim coming from the shore. As I've described in the past, the first night they came in inflated rubber rafts, very low silhouette, but you can see the people above the rafts filled with people. It looks like spikes sticking up in the air. People above the-- silhouetted against the moonlight on the water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2865","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was something that you would not believe if you saw in the movie, you'll say it was contrived. They came to the side of the ship. We had the Jacobs ladder, rope ladders over the side. These people, men, women, children, different ages were not only obliged to climb up this difficult ladder to get aboard the ship, but it had to be done in a hurry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2866","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As one of the Ma’apilim told me just a week ago when we had a small reunion, they felt they had to make it because if they fell off the ladder into the water, that would be the end of them. Nobody was there to help them. They climb over the ladder and one of Ma’apilim told me just last week, she remembers that, when she reached the top of the ladder and she was looking out over the rail of the ship, one of the American sailors was looking at her and said, \" kima rein, \" he said in Yiddish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2867","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"She told me this happened, kima rein, I'm sure that's the way our boys tried to do it with whatever Yiddish they had to encourage him to come aboard. When they came on board, we had it organized, so they will go immediately down the corridor into the hold, and climb in to these shelves and stay there out of the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2868","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was at one point, two sisters came aboard. Most of the time these were individuals, without relatives, individuals, but two sisters came aboard. As I later saw, they had matching numbers on their arms from the concentration camp, saw that later on. They got separated in the crowd in this movement and the one near me started to panic because her sister wasn't there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2869","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I managed to calm that down, but the sense that she would lose her sister was so immediate. I've told the story before, that I was down below when an elderly gentleman came down the corridor and I was urging him, urging people to move. He stopped me and he said to me in Yiddish, he said, \"Wait a minute,\" he said, \"I was once balebos(boss) in my own house.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12115.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2870","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it struck me right in the heart, and I could imagine, my father, who was a dignified man with his own family and bought his own house, to be in this situation totally devoid of any status, and being pushed and ordered and shoved. There, but for the grace of God, goes my father or goes me. Of course, he went on about what he was supposed to do. This is one among the many emotional shocks that we all had, watching all this dissipating.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12115.0,12448.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2871","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you prepared for it at all?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12448.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yes, we were. We knew we wouldn't have been there if we hadn't empathized deeply. We knew, but still when you see human beings who have individual characteristics, they're not just concepts, they're real people. There are the numbers and they all have such stories to tell. They're Jews like me. We're fellow Jews, and what they've been through. It was a profound experience. It was a transformative experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anyway, once we got our people aboard the second night, we repeated the procedure. They came in this time in small boats, as I recall. We were loaded and on our way. Now, we're headed for Palestine. In an effort to make it appear that we were not a refugee ship, that we were only a cargo ship, we had put empty boxes and bales on the deck, in the last ship to the deck to look like we're carrying cargo. I don't remember how many days we were traveling before we finally had our final act.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On route, it was necessary to feed people to give them what little rations of water were available. The people were organized into groups when they came aboard. There was enclave of Betar of religious Jews of Habonim of Dror Habonim. There were others who weren't politically designated but had coalesced into groups into partisans. There was that kind of a infrastructure so that each one had a representative that you could deal with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2875","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The only running water available was in a little washbasin in my cabin. It was one cabin, near the bridge, which I occupied as first mate. MacDonald and I shared it. It was double bunk. He had one. I had the other, one over the other and it was my privilege. I had the mothers with babies, well, it's about a half a dozen babies. I had them come one at a time into the cabin, and they would bathe the little babies in this shallow washbasin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2876","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We generated water in our boilers, but not enough to give people showers or give them washing water, we had only drinking water. I remember that. I love the kids. Up on the deck, when we were standing watch, I had a kindergarten. Little kids would come up and they'd play around on the deck. I brought with me packages of chewing gum. I had them with me, and I remember giving chewing gum to some of the kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2877","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember particularly one little fellow, he must have been no more than six or seven, but he looked and he had the knowing look of a wise man, of a sweet wise guy. He had never had a childhood, never had play time. He had lived with the partisans, and the people to whom he belonged, the partisan group to whom he belonged, said that they had to feed him urine, because he needed water, when he to drink, he was thirsty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2878","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For a little boy, he was so mature, so smart, but he was a boy at the same time. I remember he used to love the chewing gum, he called it chi gummy, and he loved chi gummy. They were kids nonetheless, and they tried to make do with playing on the bridge. We had a good time, a little kindergarten up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2879","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After a couple of days, we were overflown by a big British plane. It looked like a B-29, but I can't be specific. It flew over us, came back and flew over us again. At that point, we realized they had spotted us, they knew who we were, and they knew we were on our way to Palestine. All this time, the people were in their shelves down below. We had people coming up in groups at a time to get fresh air on deck, and to get some sunshine and the bathroom, but most of the time, people had remained down below because you couldn't get those people on the small top side at any one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2880","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When the ship was spotted, as I described, we threw overboard all that false cargo, and we prepared the ship for resistance. At that point, we could let more people come out on deck, and people did come out. Started to fill the deck with people we no longer could hide. We have photographs showing the people on deck. Some were seasick, some were faint, some felt good, some were fraternizing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2881","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One couple on our ship met on the ship, and subsequently married, they're husband and wife. The girl's name was Chedva and they're still romancing to this day. They were part of the Ma’apilim who came to the mini reunion about a week or 10 days ago at Murray's house, and he may lead you to them, chedva and her husband. I can't remember his name, but two personable people, and they are very interesting. They are very valuable, they have a good story to tell. I think they would be excellent people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2882","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shortly after that, the British ships appeared on our horizon, and very soon, we were surrounded by the cruiser Ajax, and a couple of destroyers. We still kept our direction to the shores of Palestine, and we intended to resist. At one point, a destroyer came alongside and he said, \"We know who you are. You are overloaded, you are in danger of capsizing, it's a danger to your passengers. We ask you to surrender your ship to us, and we will take you to Cyprus. I want to speak to your captain.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2883","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whereupon, we took a young fellow, 10 years old, we put a captain's hat on him, we had one, we put him there with a megaphone or a bullhorn, I don't remember, and he said, \"I am the captain.\" At that point, they knew that we were not interested in their negotiations. They pulled away. Then the destroyer came directly towards us. When he got close, he turned sharply away to create backwash waves, and deliberately, the ship started to rock one side then the other side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2884","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The people on deck got very frightened. They started to run from one side to the other side. We told them, \"Sit down right where you are. Sit down immediately,\" and they did, and the ship righted itself. The waves were not a problem to the ship. Everybody rushing to one side could have been a problem. The ship righted itself, but unbelievably, in those minutes, that half hour, or while this was going on, down below, a lady who was pregnant delivered a boy, a child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2885","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"His name given to him was Daniel Balfour Freedman. There were nurses among the refugees who helped with the delivery, and they're available here. Those people are available. Murray all know who they are. They're available today to talk to them. We had a grand reunion some years ago. When was it? In 1988, 1987. We had a reunion and many, many more people showed up, including the nurses who remembered giving birth to the boy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2886","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, we tried to find this young fellow. We found the boy who was the captain, we found him, but I tracked the other people down and it turned out they've been on at Kibbutz, people remembered them. They'd been on an ulpan and then they left the country, and that was a big disappointment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2887","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These people came on Aliyah Bet, on our ship, they wouldn't remain behind, they gave birth, and then they left. This happens. We are what we are. We aren't all heroes and we aren't all for farbrente (fiery) Zionists. We have all kinds of reasons for doing what we do. When we went on about our business, then it became clear that we were going to try to make it all the way to Palestine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2888","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As we approached the shores, they prepared to board us, as is their fashion. We took all the axes and all the implements that could really provoke killing, and we threw them overboard. We didn't want anybody getting involved with knives or guns or axes with these British marines. We did hook up our fire hoses and our purpose was to use the hoses to ward them off before they could board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2889","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I had an asbestos glove and there were some others around, so that, when a smoke bomb was thrown on deck, or tear gas bomb, I could pick it up, or other people with gloves could pick it up and throw it overboard. We had planned to disconnect the wheelhouse and run the ship straight ahead from the controls down in the engine room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2890","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had cans of goods that we were no longer going to eat, and the people took those as missiles and parcel them out to throw at the sailors. This was the only weapons we had and only weapons we would allow to be used. They did board us. By pulling alongside, the sailors, these marines with helmets, with shields and with long clubs, with lead weights at the end, stood on their rail waiting to jump on to our ship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2891","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before that happened, I've got to tell you, we had these davits that ran out alongside the ship for loading and unloading cargo. They'd been pulled up and tied in place when you're underway, so they wouldn't be hanging out over the side. We had taken out the worm gear so that there was nothing to hold them upright except a rope. When the British started to make their run alongside, we cut the rope and the four davits, two on each side, fell out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2892","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first destroyer that came alongside ran to these projections and broke them off and also did damage to the destroyer, and I don't know what the damage it did to people, but it caused them to veer away, and we went even farther. We didn't know how long we could keep going before we were boarded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2893","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finally, they did board us, jumping aboard and there was a hand to hand fighting. They had tommy guns. They had machine guns, which they didn't use, but sufficiently, you point it at somebody and it's intimidating. They rushed for the wheelhouse, they took control of the wheelhouse and they didn't succeed in cutting the cables, so that you still control the ship from the wheelhouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2894","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The boiler room barricaded itself so they could keep the boilers going as if they were heading for sea. Finally, the British either with tear gas or other ways to control the boiler room. There was a fight, there was hand-to-hand fighting. I didn't get involved in any fight. Somehow, the fight didn't come to me, but McDonald had been fighting. I could see him at the other end of the ship towards the stern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2895","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At this point, there were Tommies standing there and he's a big guy. He's the kind of guy who would attract attention as a fighter. There was a Tommy standing there with a machine gun. McDonald said that the fight stopped when he pointed the gun at his belly. McDonald and I had a kind of a joke. There was a rule in early British law, land law, called the Rule in Shelley's Case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2896","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know if they still teach it in law school and that was part of our training in real property. The Rule in Shelley's Case was kind of a complicated thing and it was difficult to understand. It became kind of a joke between us and said, “Hey, McDonald what's the Rule in Shelley's Case?” He asked me or I asked him, at the oddest time. We'd be in some bar in Lisbon, and he turned to me as if to point out how far removed we were from law school, \"Hey Katz, what’s the Rule in Shelley's Case?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2897","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a pamphlet with us on some point of evidence law that we happen to have with us, and it survived till we got to the camp in Cyprus. There's a picture of us in the camp looking at this thing, bear to the waist, which was published in the Harvard Law School paper when we got back. Anyway, I see McDonald standing there. He looks at me over here, and he is mouthing, “What's the Rule in Shelley's Case?” In the middle of all this chaotic business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2898","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then the destroyers then took our ship in tow, to tow us into Haifa harbor. I planned to escape. I paired myself down to a pair of shorts, no shirt, no shoes, no socks. In my pocket of the shorts, I put in a Gillette blade and wax paper and about several yards of dental floss, which I thought I might use as rope if I needed it or tie something up or somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2899","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The blade would be a knife if I needed it. I went back onto the fantail, it was getting dark by this time and I dropped into the water through the open shack where you would put a hoister. The people, the Ma’apilim, standing on the fantail knew what I was doing. I went into the water to swim to the wreck of Haim Arlosoroff which was not too far away, beached there. My purpose was to climb aboard the Haim Arlosoroff as best I could if I could and stay there for the night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2900","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the morning, make my way to shore where I could find-- I would go to any Jewish house and tell them who I was and I figured it was okay. The people on the fantail then threw life jackets into the water thinking that I might need some buoyancy, but I didn't. I swam underwater. I remember that the British were using their searchlights from the ship. I could see above the surface the light passing over me on the surface of the water and I swam as best I could away from the ship and I came up for air. I started to swim towards shore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2901","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The water was very, very cold, colder than I anticipated. It was dark and it was beginning to be very difficult to find out what the direction was for the shore. I think I knew where I was headed, but didn't take more than three, four, five, six, seven minutes when a motor whaleboat came through the water with British sailors in it and a young officer with a gun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2902","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They saw me, they came alongside and pulled me into the whaleboat where this young ensign, I remember him as a pimply-faced ensign, sat there with his pistol pointed at me. I'm wet, bedraggled and naked, and sailors in the boat, and he's got a pistol pointed at me because he thought it was necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2903","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They took me ashore and I'm standing there dripping. An officer comes up and he says to me, \"Do you speak English?\" I wouldn't answer him, I wouldn't admit that I spoke English, I wouldn’t admit who I was. I just looked at him. He says to the soldiers, “Take him away.” A couple of soldiers, big guys on either side of me motioned me to walk. I walked with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2904","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Behind my back, this clever officer thought he would trick me and said, “Look out where you're walking,” or something of that sort, and I didn't flinch. I didn't react at all, just proceeded on my way. Then he said, “Don't beat him with the sticks.” I figured I'm in for it, but I was not to talk English, even if they beat me but they didn't beat me. They took me to a gangway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2905","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a ship waiting there and they motioned me to go aboard, and then led me down to the hold of this particular ship. The lights were on and there were benches and so on. Bars on little windows, and I thought, “What the hell is this now? What am I doing here?” I suspected that either they would try to trick me or that the CID would come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2906","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wasn't sure exactly where I was or why I was there. Then some people started to come in, looked like Ma’apilim, but I said to myself, “These are plants. These are sitting in here to see if I can open up and say something.” I was in this aura of clandestine-- It turns out nothing of the sort. The people coming in were the people from my ship, who in the meanwhile had been brought to the dock, taken off the ship, and put into the hold of this ship which turned out to be one of the British prison ships that would take us to Cyprus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2907","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here they come, there is nothing dramatic about it at all. They were my people. A Romain woman with two young boys recognized me. She knew who I was. I sort of knew her, I'd seen her, and she had with her some shorts and a shirt for the kids. I figured that I should put on some clothes so as not to be identified as the guy who was in the water, if possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,12450.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2908","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did put on a shirt and a pair of pants. Nobody came to look for me. Nobody thought I was worth interrogating. We set sail for Cyprus, it was as simple as that, with all Ma’apilim. We arrived in Cyprus the next morning. They put us on buses and they took us to the gates of a camp, barbed wire, gates. I'm not even sure if it wasn't late that night. It might have been late that night.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=12450.0,13657.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2909","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's stop for a second we're going to switch tapes.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13657.0,13660.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2910","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I’ll go to the bathroom anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13660.0,13660.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2911","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[pause","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13660.0,13662.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2912","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=13662.0,17260.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[background conversations]\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17260.0,17273.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Answer to the camera. I was curious, I wonder did you decide together what you were going to do? Did you have a plan of what was going to happen?\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17273.0,17280.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe I'll start with that and then we'll continue with the ship to Cyprus.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17280.0,17283.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Once I'm in Cyprus, you’ll ask me.\n\nShlomi:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17283.0,17288.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Try to keep looking toward it, okay not to the side.\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17288.0,17291.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh yes, I’m sorry. I keep--\n\nShlomi:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17291.0,17292.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are all listening, but you talk only with him.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17292.0,17294.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, psychologically, I tend to look away because of the light, but I'll be careful.\n\nShlomi:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17294.0,17299.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I will help you with the light a bit more.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17299.0,17307.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2922","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You don't want to put it over on the side and get it more of a--\n\nShlomi:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17307.0,17312.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2923","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You see the light, it's going to the--\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17312.0,17315.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2924","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, that's better.\n\nShlomi:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17315.0,17316.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2925","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay, whenever you’re ready.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17316.0,17319.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2926","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I'm not certain whether it was late at night or in the very early hours of the morning when we arrived. At the gate, as I was going through, there were benches set up with clerks behind them recording people as they came in. The first thing that happened was that the clerk spoke Yiddish. Again, now it appears to me a little bit foolish, but under the atmosphere at that time, I wasn't even sure that I could trust that guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17319.0,17319.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2927","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He said to me in Yiddish, he said, \"dach mir bist an Amerikaner\" (I think you're an American). I wasn't going to admit it, and I said, \"azoy? yah?\" (So? Yes?) I said in Yiddish. I wouldn't admit that I would speak English and wouldn't admit at anything. He asks for my name. Well, there was a good-looking girl ahead of me who was registered and whatever her name was, I don't recall, well, I said that's my name. I gave him that name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17319.0,17319.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2928","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I figured maybe we would end up in the same tent. Anyway, I never saw her again. I did carry her name in Cyprus. There were people on the other side, maybe Israelis but maybe fellows from earlier shifts. I don't remember but somebody that was looking for us and we knew would help us and gather the American guys and took us off to a place where we would pitch our own tent. We did, we had our own Enclave right there. Among all the other tents those not believe Murray says we are the Americans, were in the Moppy Lee knew who we were, we had an affectionate special status of course with these people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17319.0,17319.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2929","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were a curiosity but they liked us. We were interesting, we were different, we were a curiosity and we were with them. It was a good feeling, good atmosphere. We didn't have any clothes and I remember that the ladies in Cyprus used to take way flaps from the tent and take the canvas apart and make clothes from the various layers that made up the-- There was even a shoemaker on Cyprus at least one. He was able to make sandals for people. Where he got the materials, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17319.0,17319.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2930","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To this day I don't remember how we ate. I don't remember what-- I just don't remember. Neither here nor in Atlit later on, I don't remember where the food came from. I don't remember-- I have no vision of eating anything. Very curious, it was the least important part of my life surely and maybe that's why I don't know why. I do not remember eating any place.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17319.0,17499.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What happened to Hugh?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17499.0,17501.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hugh remain behind with the people. I had given Hugh a package of lifesavers. Somehow that I know. We taken the rations out of the lifeboats before we jettison them, we taken the rations out and I had from the rations a tropical Hershey bar especially made for the troops. American troops they were to withstand the heat, thesr tropical Hershey bars remember them. Hershey bar has been made specially to withstand the heat, lifesavers--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17501.0,17501.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2933","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What else there was, I don't know. When I gave him to Hugh I said, \"Keep these for me.\" Before I went overboard. I'm trying to think how we salvaged those things from the ship. He kept them, he kept them in the kit bag. When when I went into Cyprus I went in into the summer camp, and his group went into the winter camp.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17501.0,17580.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2934","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What do you mean by summer camp?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17580.0,17581.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2935","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There were two camps. In Cyprus there were two separate camps for the refugees, and they were separated. With no intercourse in between the two camps, they're two separate places. One was called a winter camp one's called a summer camp, but some went there, some here. He went to the other place. He didn't know whether I drowned or not, he didn't know if I survived, he didn't know that. They were starving, they were making soup out of potato peels. They weren't--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17581.0,17581.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2936","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't remember food. I didn't eat. I know I was thin as a rail, I'll show you pictures of me when I came out, but everybody was hungry. At one point we were told that some of the sailors, some of the Americans from the other camp would be coming over here. How it was arranged? I don't know. Sure enough, here came Hugh and he saw me and we embraced. In spite of the fact that he had been starving, he produced from his little kit bag my chocolate bars and my lifesavers, he didn't eat them. I spent a good part of my time on Cyprus teaching English to the Mapilim. I had English classes, they want to know about life of Jews in America, I did my best to tell them about in Yiddish which was broken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17581.0,17581.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2937","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I attended a wedding on Cyprus, there was even a wedding. The wedding feast consisted of half of an orange which was unheard of in Cyprus, but they had proper religious wedding, and they had as entertainment a Eastern European performer that we don't know about in America. I think if the word is correct, it was called a Bodnar. Anyway, this is a fellow who could sing songs, making up the word as he went along to a tune about the people there and about the bride and groom and this and that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17581.0,17581.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2938","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He improvised words cleverly. He could improvise words to the song as he sang, it was amazing. The guy was terrific. He was a genius and that was also a performer at this particular wedding. Inside of Cyprus, Hugh and I set up a training camp in another tent, in another area. We were taught something called KAPAP, which is short stick fighting because in British Palestine you couldn't carry arms, but you could carry a stick and there's a whole technique to that stick fighting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17581.0,17581.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2939","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We were taught Judo. One of the KAPAP sessions where we were standing around a circle doing KAPAP. One of the the trials is somebody would walk around with this stick, turn on somebody and come down with a stick and you were supposed to be prepared to block it, and everybody by reflex action blocked it. [laughs] He came around and went for Murray and Murray didn't block it, and he got himself a gash on his head which was stitched up and after a day or two or three Murray came back and joined the group. Again we're going around. Again KAPAP, Murray got banged a second time, he just didn't react. I remember Murray getting hit with the sticks twice in a row.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17581.0,17799.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2940","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How long were you on Cyprus?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17799.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2941","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was on Cyprus for two and a half months, two and a half months. I remember that there was a group from Holland, a Dutch boy and a couple of Dutch girls who hadn't survived as a group. They were also on Cyprus and they became friendly. They were literate people and young people my age, and we got to know each other. Then the time came when the Haganah decided they were going to dig a tunnel out of Cyprus. They wanted to get an access tunnel to get out and get in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2942","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MacDonald and I and Murray and maybe Al Feinberg I'm not sure, and the Dutch boy and another Israeli guy-- Not the Dutch boy, the Israeli-- I said Israeli, I don't mean Israeli. Another refugee who later became Israeli joined the group selected by the Haganah. We began to do the tunnel. What did we do? We had a tent that was assigned to us, pitched right on the perimeter of the camp, alongside the barbed wire maybe 50 metres, 100 metres away there were a grove of trees and you started to have a little bit of a forest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2943","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The plan was to dig a tunnel from inside the tent, go down and then tunnel our way out to the grove of trees, which we started to do. We started-- We had pickaxes-- I don't know where they came from. We started to dig this big hole in the middle of the tent. Well, right away you have a question, \"What are you going to do with all the sand? You're digging a big, big hole then you're going down 10 feet, then you're going to go forward? What do you do with the sand?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2944","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The first time we took the sand and we spread it around on the floor of the tent, around all the other open spaces. When we go into the tunnel, went into work, just in shorts you perspired because there's no air down there. You could stay only a short while before the air was foul, you had to come out but you were perspiring and come out with a couple of sand. Well, you can't go outside covered with sand. What happens? Water was brought into the camp by water trucks every day, and it was rationed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2945","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Haganah guys arranged for a big water tank to be put outside our tent. Then somebody would bring in buckets of water, big buckets, from this big tank which was refilled every day, bring it inside the tent and we'd wash up with that but we washed off with that over the sand. We spread it around so it could become impacted. Well, after a while it got to be quite a lot, so we started to go out in the middle of the night with gunny sacks full of sand- to dump it where it couldn't be found. Where did we dump it? We dumped it down the latrines. They had these latrines which were just holes and a board and then lying on top of the refuse. McDonalds says-- remembering, he used to describe how we'd go out in the middle of the night, and we'd take these gunny sacks, we'd dump them down the hole into the toilets, and then the stench there would become wafted out of there back at us. He remembered that. This way, we disposed the sand into the toilets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2946","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had gone forward about maybe 15 meters or so when the time had come to take us out of Cyprus and send us to Palestine. We didn't finish it, but the tunnel was finished, and it was used. There was a program on TV here one Yom Ha'atzmaut where they brought me back to the TV station together with other people who were familiar with the tunnel to describe how we began it and what we did. Other people described how people came in and out through this tunnel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2947","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ruth Gruber, who mentioned Cyprus in one of her books, wrote an article or her book that it was found after we vacated, after the camp was vacated, the British found the tunnel, but it was after the fact. That was one episode, so we were building this tunnel. Now, I mentioned this because the Dutch boy's name was Louis van Beatz. In Boston one day after I was married, a young married man practicing the law, I get a call, it's Louis van Beatz, the Dutch boy I knew on Cyprus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2948","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He was there with his wife, Lola. How he came to come to Boston, I don't know, but he was a lovely guy. We became quite friendly during the time that he was in Boston and I was in Boston. He was the guy whom I knew on Cyprus. Later on, I received a phone call, out of the blue, that says, \"Ketzeleh,\" which was a nickname for me, my name is Katz so sometimes I was referred to as Ketzeleh both on the ship and in Cyprus. \"Ketzeleh, atah zocher eich lachpor? (do you remember how to dig)?\" \"Who is it?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2949","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was one of the two ma'apilim that had been co-opted to help us in the digging of the tunnel, a guy named Roth. He's here in Israel, we're in touch. A guy named Roth, good guy \"atah zocher eich lachpor?\" He remembered me, and he found me, and we had a reunion here, that was the tunnel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2950","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The time came however to transport us to Palestine. They wanted to get the Americans out of Cyprus, and the British were allowing only a certain number each month, there was a quota that they allowed. We were put on the list with whatever names would allow us to get past the British checkpoint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2951","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At that point, The Exodus had already been taken by the British and taken back to Hamburg, and Haganah decided to react with some action. It was decided to blow up one of the British prison ships that carried Jews to and from Cyprus. These ships were like cargo ships, there was a series of them. There was the Empire Rival, the Empire Lifeguard, and one or two others. They were built with cages over the decks to contain the ma'apilim when they came aboard. You couldn't get out of the cage, you couldn't get over the side, but you could get down to the hold cages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2952","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was the plan to blow up one of these ships. Gelignite and the necessary detonators had to be smuggled into Cyprus, into the camp to be prepared, so that the ma'apilim or we, could carry them aboard the British prison ship when we went aboard, in order to get them into the camp so we could utilize them. One of Haganah's guys picked McDonald, and the two of them cut the barbed wire at night, crawled out to some rendezvous where the Haganah on the outside in Cyprus had brought the gelignite, and the detonators, and all the stuff we needed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2953","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They put them in inner tubes so that McDonald and the other fellow could hang them around their necks and over their backs, and then crawl back into the camp. Coming back with this stuff-- McDonald was the guy they chose. Coming back, the British sentry spotted them as they were coming back in and started to fire at them, but they got inside and disappeared inside the camp. The British declared a curfew and started to search what the hell was going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2954","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whereupon that, one of the Haganah guys wrote a note to the British and said, \"A couple of our guys decided to go into town and have some fun. They shouldn't have done it.\" They included some Cypriot money in the note to show that the guys had been there, as if this was an explanation of why these guys had been on the outside. As I recall, nothing more came of the British investigation, but the material was now inside the camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2955","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In one section of the camp, there was a Haganah enclave. We prepared the gelignite for our use aboard the ship we were going to blow up. Again, only a few of us, not all the Americans there, but they selected McDonald, they selected me, and Murray, we were those who were together with the Israeli guy preparing the gelignite. What we did was, we mixed it with glycerine or some other material to make it pliable, it was like putty. We took tubes of shaving cream, opened the far end and took out the shaving cream, filled it with gelignite, closed it up to the end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2956","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I recall the tube was something like Sunrise Shaving Cream from Canada, as I recall, but we left enough shaving cream at the top end so that if you squeezed it, some shaving cream would come out. We took bars of soap and we cut holes in the bars and tried to hollow them out. Filled them with gelignite and then put the plug back in. When we finished that, the plug was too obvious, so we discarded that, but we did keep the shaving cream.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2957","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we took thin plastic sacks and we fill them with gelignite, flat, and those were to be affixed to the bellies of women with elastic straps over their bellies, and they would go aboard as if they were pregnant. When the time came to be taken from the camp to the dock in Famagusta to go aboard the British prison ship, you came to the dock, and then lighters, small boats would take you out to the ship. The night before, the word came down that now there were some British police ladies who were there, and they were going to do searches of the women going aboard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2958","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It became clear that the women could not carry this, and that different arrangements be made. We decided that we would carry it on our backs. This is dangerous. What we did was, these were flat packs, we put them on our backs with some stretchy material to hold them, and put our shirts over and bloused our shirts so that we would hide the fact they were there. I remember McDonald and I talking about it and I'm saying, \"McDonald, when they come and search guys, that they put one hand in the back and one hand in the front, you turn yourself so that the hand that reaches to the back doesn't go all the way back, but goes all the way down to your side when you turn.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2959","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Literally, that's what happened when we went to British control. They reached out to search us, exactly that. One hand tried to pat your back and pat somebody, so if you turned, if you're looking at somebody, or saying something, you presented the side of your back rather than the flat of your back. It's like a deck of cards thrown up in the air, and all the 52 cards come down face up red, it just broke our way. Why they didn't discover it? I don't know, they didn't discover it on our backs and we got through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2960","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What were we going to do? We each had razor blades that if up and down the line and on the way the British should discover anything, that we were to cut these elastic bands, and drop the gelignite by the road, get rid of them. We're in these trucks in the convoy then it stops. People are running back and forth, alongside, activity, we don't know what it is. I said, \"Is there some reason? Are they searching us?\" Then it would go on some more and then again stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2961","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We thought if we cut it, after all this going on, if we cut the elastic and we get rid of it, and we get to the ship and find that it was nothing, and much of the effort will be aborted, I'll commit suicide. We just took our chances right down to the end, and just did not cut the plastic. We get to the dockside okay, all is well. We're standing there all gathered and there's a CID officer talking to a British colonel who's in charge of the debarking. He's saying, \"Colonel, there's something wrong here. I want all these people searched. I want them searched again.\" I'm standing there listening to this guy and this wonderful British colonel looked at me like a colonel Blimp. He had his mustache, he had a swagger stick and he turned the CID civilian and he hit him on and just says, \"Tut, tut, my man. Tut tu.\" Did not agree to a search. We weren't searched.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2962","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Lowenstein was an Israeli girl who was a nurse, redheaded girl who had been a nurse there for the Jews in Cyprus. She came alongside with some fellow who I think was with a disability of some kind. She had her bag and in her bag she had two packages of gelignite in the bottom wrapped in oil paper and on top she had fruit. We get to the dock side and she's very nervous and she said to me, \"For God's sakes, take these things away from me.\" I put them into my other bag of some kind. I put them in my bag, there was no search anymore but I covered them and I had a couple of more gelignite things in my back and then some my bag, I think McDonald or somebody else also bit some of it from Judith, marvelous girl and we get into our lighters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2963","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm in the first group to go, McDonald is still behind me someplace because they kept separating us. We get to the ship. I go aboard, they tell us to leave our bags here and to go over here and I kept this kit bag with me though I wouldn't give it there. I go into this side and they lock the gate. I'm inside of a cage and on the other side is the rest of the cage and that's locked and there's only the entrance as you come up with the British saying some to this side, some to that side. I didn't know that we would be joined again and it was necessary to get McDonald and his stuff over to my side so we could all have the gelignite in one place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2964","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I got a good-looking girl over there. I said, \"Look, when McDonald comes aboard, you start calling my man, my man yelling for him and they'll have to probably will let him into coming to you.\" Sure enough when McDonald comes aboard and the British soldier is looking at him and she sets up this human cry. McDonald looks over here. He sees this girl crying my man, my man and I'm standing alongside of her with this smile and he gets this grin on his face and they send him in. He goes in until he comes into the cage and the first thing he does is grab this girl and give her a great big kiss.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2965","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He didn't never want to miss an opportunity. Well, later on, it developed that there was communication between the two sides but we didn't know it at the time. On route that night, the Israeli guy who was in charge of this part of the operation of the tunnel and now was coming aboard ship with us was a guy named Moshe Lipson His Israel name was Moshe Nachshon . He lives here and he was the guy who was the leader of this bomb squad. At one point we were down below and we had a hacksaw. McDonald and I mostly he sawed through this lock, took off the lock, and opened the door to the hold and there's a light down there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2966","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He shuts it and he gives a knife to McDonald and he says, \"McDonald said, we'll go down there. If there's a British sailor there, you will kill him. As simple as that. No, you'll kill him.\" McDonald later years tells me. He says to me simply, \"You will kill him. You will kill him.\" As matter of fact, McDonald, a brave guy, he and Morrish went down into the hold. No sailors, somebody just left the light on. They went down there and they planted the gelignite against the skin of the ship. They were pencil detonators. homemade with mercury caps to be detonated by once you set them by chemical action.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2967","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For a certain amount of time after you set them, you insert that into the gelignite into this putty and you go away and it sticks to the side of the ship. When it blows up, it blows up the gelignite and everything. The detonators got aboard the ship in another way. Sunny Weintraub, a very well-known artist Oliver Shawn. Sunny Weintraub was our radio operator on our ship. He was one of us in Cyprus. They put these detonators into a condom and they put them in into Sunny's rectum. He gave him aboard carrying an explosive detonator or two in a condom up his rectum hoping would give him a kick in the pants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2968","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's how we got the detonators aboard. Sunny Weintraub brought him. I have a painted picture of Sunny's back here on this wall. You see the little Arab girl sitting there in the blue smock. That's one of Sunny's pictures. He believes a well-known artist and a good one. When the hatch was put down again, the people in the hole who saw what we were doing started to sing out of joy our sheer release of tension spontaneously. One group down there invited me to join them in Israel. Come join us and be part of our kibbutz. I never had a compliment more important than that to be asked by these people who just knew me a short while to come and be part of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2969","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is what I'm trying to do is to be part of them. Then we had to wait till the next few hours when we would dock in Haif in due course that would explode was it was timed that way. As we approach Haifa harbor in the early hours of the morning, we're standing there, Moish and a couple several of us are standing there looking out of the cage. It's important that we get to Haifa so the cage is unlocked and we get out of there not to be trapped like rats in a cage if the ship went down. We didn't know how big an impact it would have whether it would blow apart. We didn't know what the consequences would be to the ship. If it will sink right away, you didn't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2970","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These were all uninformed efforts. Suddenly before we get to the dock, still in the harbor, they drop anchor. Why are they dropping anchor? There's this British officer in a white starched shorts white shirt standing out on the other side of the cage looking out at the Haifa harbor and he's stretching himself. He's just gotten up and we're thinking you son of a bitch, give us a little bit more time and you'll get your feet wet. Moish is standing there looking the time is ticking away. He had to make a decision. He could abort this thing by telling the British that's down there, \"Go stop it or go down and stop it.\" He could abort it in one way or another but he's standing there with a poker face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2971","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He doesn't show any sign of tension. He's standing there watching and the legend has it, I don't know if it really happened this way but the legend that's told is that they said to him, \"Moish you got to defuse it.\" Moish is supposed to have said, \"Well, they taught me how to make it. They didn't tell me how to stop it.\" That may be the stuff of a legend but I don't know. It's a good one and I think we should treat it as the truth because we need our heroes and we need our legends. Well, before long, they hoisted the anchor again and off we into the harbor and they opened the gates, opened the cages and the people started filling out and we followed them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2972","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're all on the dock and all of a sudden there's an explosion. The thing did go off below water and smoke came up out of the water. Unlike submarines hitting a ship in the movies and the ship breaks apart and sinks, this didn't do such thing. This sort of a shutter and nothing. It sat there. What was happening as I later realized is there was a big hole on the side. Water was pouring in and the British couldn't stop it and the ship quite quickly did actually lower itself slowly but deliberately to the bottom of the harbor and there it stopped with the smokestacks sticking up out of the water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2973","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This was a Haganah operation but it didn't stop Etzel from running around a few minutes later with posters posting them on the wall with the arm holding the rifle which was available saying, רק כך, רק כך, only this way. Of course, it was a Haganah operation. Not that Etzel wasn't capable of and didn't do a heroic thing of their own, they did but they did take advantage of this to put their posters up maybe they were saying רקכך this is the way to do it, whether Haganah does or Etzel does it. We were on the docks and we were quite depressed to think that this was not successful, but it turned out to be successful, whereupon the British loaded us onto, again, buses co-opted for the purposes with British guards to take us away. I remember climbing aboard this, in the front of this bus and I looked in the mirror and I saw this gaunt face, unshaven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,17802.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2974","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was I and I had no idea up to that moment how I looked, but I'd been on Cyprus for two and a half months. We all had dysentery of some kind, I had amoebic dysentery, which wasn't cured until I got back to Boston and the Harvard Medical School found a solution for me.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=17802.0,19258.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2975","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Were you thinking at all about going back to law school at this point?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19258.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2976","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At this point, no. I think if anything, I was predisposed to stay and I would have stayed, I can come to that if we have time. I was predisposed to stay. We were taken in promptly to Atlit where we were sent in and later on, they wanted to record everybody, but we never showed up with our names. We never recorded ourselves in Atlit because from Atlit, the certificates were going to be given out and each name would be a certificate. Haganah didn't intend for us to use up a certificate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2977","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There we were an Atlit prison. Now we're in barracks and it's much more civilized nder control of the Jewish Agency. I was there for five weeks. I was smuggled out this way. They came to me and said, \"You're-- Haganah said, \"You're a heart patient and you're going to be taken to the Hadassah Hospital.\" One day, a nurse takes me by the hand and leads me very gingerly to the gate, she got papers. They take me outside and I'm walking very carefully and they put me into a car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2978","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a Jewish policeman with his big astrakhan hat they used to wear in those days, this caracal or black wool. I get in the car and I'm quiet. I don't know what's going to happen to me. I assume that they're taking me someplace. As we're driving along, he said to me, he said, \"Do you know where you're going? I said, \"No.\" He said, \"You're going to your friends in Haifa.\" He was Haganah also. We were on the old road, the new road now along the highway, but the old road that goes from here to Hadera and then from there to Haifa, that was the old road at the time. That was a road we used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2979","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He took me into Haifa. He took me downtown Hadar HaCarmel, he says go up to the second floor. I go to the second floor and there is an office and some of the guys I recognize from Haganah. They sat me down, they took my picture. In about an hour, I had false papers with my picture on it and everything, false papers and with those, I got around Israel, passed a number of times the CID's security and they passed. Now I'm in Palestine. I'm in Palestine and I'm under the authority and control and security of the Haganah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2980","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"McDonald got out because they put him in an empty fish crate and put more fish crates on top of it, they were leaving, taking trash out of the camp and they got him out of the camp that way. Murray ended up I think-- I don't know how he got out, I don't remember anymore, but he was in-- Yes, I know. He was taken to one of the Kryot, Kiryat Shaul or Kiryat Motskin they had less secure barbed wire encampment there before they released people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2981","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One night we were already out together with the Haganah guy, went to this camp, it was dark, off the road and we crawled up to the perimeter with wire cutters. We cut the wire and the guys came out through the wire. We walked across country to the Kibbutz Ha'Hotrim and we were out Hotrim I ran into a guy named Alex Shore, who was one of the Madrichim on our ship. He's now a lawyer in Haifa, very nice guy. Very interesting guy. Maybe you should talk to him. Alex Shore was there visiting his girlfriend? There we were, we come into Hotrim having liberated these guys from Kiryat Motzkin or somesuch place and there's a guy I know. All these little things kept happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19262.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2982","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19262.0,19506.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2983","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Female Speaker: There was a visitor at Atlit that [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19506.0,19508.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2984","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nMale Speaker:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19508.0,19511.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2985","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19511.0,19511.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2986","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19511.0,19512.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2987","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was what?\n\nMale Speaker:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19512.0,19512.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2988","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19512.0,19512.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2989","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19512.0,19512.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2990","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[sound cut]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19512.0,19536.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2991","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you want to do that later? We'll try. We'll try. I don't like to be late because it's an important meeting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19536.0,19536.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2992","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[crosstalk]\n\nFemale Speaker:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19536.0,19549.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2993","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19549.0,19550.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2994","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19550.0,19554.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2995","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are stories.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19554.0,19560.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2996","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you were in Atlit.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19560.0,19561.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2997","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I was in Atlit, one day, I'm standing by the fence and some VIP Americans came up. Lo and behold, one of them was the lady I knew, that was Judith Epstein. I think she was president of Hadassah. I had known her because in my student days in Avukah we had had clashes, friendly clashes over the Zionist organization of America Youth Commission controlling Avukah We had our own notions of independence and we had had these differences and I knew Judith Epstein from those relationships.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19561.0,19561.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2998","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was Judith Epstein and she says to me, \"Harold Katz, what are you doing behind barbed wire?\" I said to her, \"Mrs. Epstein, what are you not doing behind barbed wire?\" Quoting from Walden. End of episode, but it was a curious meeting. There was also another session on Cyprus where I met another VIP, American from Boston, Freddy Mollison, but that's a story in itself. We won't tell it now. Anyway, after I had gotten back into Palestine, I wanted to stay and there was this school for diplomats Beit HaKerem which the Jewish Agency guys thought I would be fit for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19561.0,19561.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/2999","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd had a year at Harvard College degree and a year at the law school. I was vouched for by the right people, but I had to do to pass muster with Reuven Shiloach whose name, hebrew name, at that time, his name had been Zasloni he took the name Shiloach, Reuven Zasloni He was then in the States and I was hanging around waiting for him to come back because I really wanted to stay. He didn't come back. Time went, time went and I'm sitting there and the time is going by. Time's a-wasting.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19561.0,19690.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3000","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is 1947.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19690.0,19692.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3001","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is 1947. I can't sit around enjoying the country and running around with my guys. I've got a life to live, I got to get on with it. We decided that I would go back and see my parents and see Shiloach at that time as Zasloni at that time in New York. I did. How I got back and what I did in France, how I ran into [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19692.0,19718.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3002","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] story again is another story, but I didn't get back and I did see Shiloach He said, \"You'll hear from me.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=19718.0,23292.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3003","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm waiting to hear from Shiloach nothing. Nobody, nobody contacts me. I heck with it. I go back to law school and I make my arrangements to go back for my second year because I heard from nobody. That's a story in itself how I got back into law school, they weren't anxious to have me back. A guy who was such Cavalier fashion walked out on the August Harvard Law School, but I did get back into my second year. I was back in and starting my second year, when Ben Gurion first came to America and Ralph Goldwyn was his secretary on that trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23292.0,23292.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3004","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I saw them and part of their entourage, they went to the Boston Garden and so on. Ralph says, \"I got a message for you here to come.\" I even may have gotten a letter, I don't know, but it was too late. Ralph gave me the message. It was too late. I was already back on track in the Harvard Law School. I'm going to leave another time to go back too late. They missed the boat, I missed the boat. The train had left the station. I finished then I went ahead and I finished my law school. Met my wife, we got married, I practiced law and came on aliyah at the end.\n\nCrew:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23292.0,23410.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3005","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[foreign language]\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23410.0,23415.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3006","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After this whole episode, you're on the boat, you get sent back to Cyprus. When you finally get to Palestine and get to see the country, what did you feel? Mission accomplished, did you feel?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23415.0,23435.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3007","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No I felt I found what I wanted. I felt this is where I wanted to be. This is my home. This is where I meant to come both physically and spiritually. I felt that. I meant to stay, want to stay. It didn't dependent upon my going to any diplomatic school. I could have done something else, but this was in the pipeline. Sounded like a reasonable thing. Didn't work out but there's nothing that's changed. You find that the bureaucracy in Israel today is equally inept and is equally self-destructive as it was then, only more so. Because you got a bigger bureaucracy and bigger issues, so you get bigger failures, but nothing has changed in that respect.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23435.0,23476.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3008","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As a Jew first time in Palestine, what do you feel in the holy land?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23476.0,23483.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3009","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What I feel that time, I felt that I belong here. This was different from anyplace else. This was part of me and I was part of it. I really felt that and still do.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23483.0,23499.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3010","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You mentioned before that this was a transformative moment.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23499.0,23506.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3011","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, the whole thing.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23506.0,23507.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3012","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, looking back 60 years later, looking back, do you feel that same way? Do you want to?\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23507.0,23520.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3013","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, yes. Do I have any regrets? No, I don't have regrets. But, those who are left behind, they did very well in the practice of law. They're quite comfortable. I don't mean to denigrate it at all. I think that's great. They have nice homes and summer homes and one thing and another. They're all desirable things which I would have enjoyed it. I even suspect I probably would have been a judge with my history there but I was not happy. That's not the way I want to spend my life and give my energies. Whatever I had to give, I wanted to give it to the Jewish people. I knew that when I was having the best life possible imaginable in Boston, successfully practicing law, comfortable financially, everybody's happy and healthy. It's not what I want out of life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23520.0,23520.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3014","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am very disappointed about many things that are developed in Israel, what Israel has turned out to be. I don't deny that. I don't don't say that it isn't still Israel and the home of the Jewish people and the place I want to be, and the place with which I identify, but I think it's far too precious to suffer what it's suffering from its own people. The cavalier way in which our leaders dismiss pieces of it. Kowtow and the show, less than pride. They don't show the pride they should have, they don't show the fortitude. They cave in too easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23520.0,23520.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3015","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also, they're not talented enough anymore. The talented people fall by the way, as victims of party politics. We deserve better from our leaders than we're getting, very disappointing. It doesn't mean that I've given up on Israel or I don't believe that we have a future or I don't believe that the Jewish State has everything to offer us still. The home of the Jewish people with our own history and our national celebration of our holidays and remembering and staying with our heroes. I'm optimistic but we're going to pay a terrible price for our failures. I'm going to be around to pay for the failures also. That's also part of what I'm obliged to do.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23520.0,23678.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3016","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you very much. This was--\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23678.0,23679.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3017","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great.\n\nAryeh:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23679.0,23680.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3018","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"-excellent. If you have another minute or two, I would love to see that article that you mentioned from Time Magazine.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23680.0,23691.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3019","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes, I'll show you. It was in Boston. Where was this? Save you the trip here, set up with Murray.\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23691.0,23703.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3020","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23703.0,23703.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3021","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23703.0,23704.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3022","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do Murray then finish up with me.\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23704.0,23706.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3023","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great, so we're hopeful we'll be in touch with Murray September time.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23706.0,23710.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3024","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll tell you about [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23710.0,23710.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3025","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] No, it wasn't this?\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23710.0,23721.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3026","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They never found out who blew up the ship.\n\nHarold:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23721.0,23723.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3027","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They never found out. Well, they did, and they didn't. I'll show you. I've got some interesting material on that. Let me show you. 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We need to read the archive once in a while [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23761.0,23765.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3033","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] He's a mess. This is the [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23765.0,23772.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3034","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=23772.0,27361.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3035","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[background conversation]\n\nDevorah:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=27361.0,27434.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3036","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hello. 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The morning went okay [unintelligible","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=27510.0,27514.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3040","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"] Did you even get in front of a judge.\n\nCrew:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616#t=27514.0,27521.0"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1813/collection_resources/64086/file/148616/transcript/48769/annotation/3041","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can we have a few minutes?\n\nFemale 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