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ערבים.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=4637.08,4638.12"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"הערבים היו בתמונה חזק מהמרד הערבי,\nמאורעות 36'-39', עד \"הספר הלבן\",","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=4639.04,4646.44"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ב\"הספר הלבן\" בעצם הם השיגו\nאת כל מה שהם רוצים.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=4646.52,4649.16"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"עכשיו, חאג' אמין אל חוסייני, המופתי,\nהלך להיטלר, לגרמנים,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=4649.24,4653.8"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"רשיד עאלי אל-כילאני בעיראק, דיברו,\nאני זוכר שדיברו על 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מקוריים,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=6127.88,6130.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"כמו מההתיישבויות התימניות,\nכמו מחנה יהודה בפתח תקווה, כמו...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=6130.48,6135.72"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אז הם ותיקים.\n-ותיקים, ותיקים. 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זמן","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=6988.52,6993.04"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"שהיה אחר כך פרופסור בתל אביב,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=6993.12,6995.16"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ובזמנו אני כתבתי,\nואחר כך היה מורלה 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הדברים?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7409.76,7413.84"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ככה צריך להיות, אתה צריך לראות\nאת הדברים ברוח התקופה.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7413.92,7417.44"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ראייה היסטורית.\n-בראייה היסטורית,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7417.52,7419.08"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ואני, לכן קראתי לספר שלי:\n\"עיר בראי תקופה\",","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7419.16,7421.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1844","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אם אתה לא רואה את התקופה,\nזה לא נכון,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7422.0,7424.2"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1845","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אפילו בתקופת המנדט אתה לא יכול לראות\nאת תקופת המנדט כמקשה אחת,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7424.28,7428.72"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1846","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ראשית המנדט זה סיפור אחר,\nסוף המנדט זה סיפור אחר, ואמצע המנדט,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7428.8,7434.04"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1847","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אין גבולות ברורים, אבל הדברים משתנים.\n-האינטרסים משתנים.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7434.12,7437.68"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1848","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"כן, ובווין זה לא בלפור.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7437.76,7439.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1849","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"יש ספר שכתב כריסטופר סייקס,\nהבן של מרק סייקס,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7440.6,7445.88"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1850","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"מבלפור ועד בווין\",\nזה שינוי דרסטי בכל...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7445.96,7450.64"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1851","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"אתה לא יכול לדבר על הבריטים במנדט,\nצריך לשאול באיזה עניין, באיזה נושא.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7450.72,7454.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1852","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"טוב, זה נתתי גם קצת ציונות.\n-פנטסטי. כן. יופי.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7454.48,7458.08"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1853","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"טוב.\n-מצוין.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7458.16,7459.28"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1854","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"כן. אתם הכרתם קצת\nבקורס מורי דרך","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7459.36,7461.96"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1855","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"או לא? אחר כך.\n-לא, באימן הכרנו.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7462.04,7464.24"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1856","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"באימן, יופי.\n-אבל שנינו יצאנו מזה.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7464.32,7466.4"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1857","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"כן.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7466.48,7467.28"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1858","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ומאז אנחנו חברים.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7467.6,7468.92"},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073/annotation/1859","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ומה אתה, איפה אתה גר היום?\n-אני גר בבית הלוי.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295#t=7469.0,7471.88"}]},{"id":"https://toldotyisrael.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1818/collection_resources/89491/file/185295/transcript/63073","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Hebrew 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